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Alice 8/15 AMPS 409, vomit x2 +4 216, vomit, +5 cerenia & vomit, +9 44 +10 72 PMPS 81 +2 79 +4 131..

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  1. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

    AliceMeowliss&Cassandra Well-Known Member

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    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...t-video-5-51-6-50-7-67-pmps-207-4-121.218132/

    Okay I am really worried. Shot was 30 minutes late again, overslept a little, went to feed her and she was very hungry, she did not overeat but she threw up right away twice.
    I didn’t expect a bounce like this, does that mean she dived last night and I missed it? :(

    I hope I can get some water into her and get a ketone test.

    Should I give cerenia since she is vomiting? This scares me like DKA..... I can’t afford a hospitalization right now and neither can DCIN! And recently I caught her sneaking out of the baby gate to eat from the herpes-sneezing-constantly cat’s bowl (also LC), so if she didn’t have it before I’m sure she does now, and that could be the infection component soooo....

    Or maybe she’s just bouncing really high. To the moon. Hey Alice, I’m the Casstronaut, not you!
     
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  2. carfurby

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    If you have cerenia, it can't hurt to give her some and see if it helps. Maybe she was just eating too fast. I hope you can get her to eat today. Sending prayers.
     
  3. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    She ate a little then threw up, I gave her some new food in case something was wrong with it, I don’t know, she ate part of that then threw up, then she finally drank some water, now she will lick her food. Hmmm. I know her tummy wasn’t full because she didn’t have enough but yes, maybe she ate too quickly. Just a high number plus vomiting and I am terrified of DKA again!!!
     
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  4. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    She also got really mad about the syringe this morning. I ended up dropping the first one and having to start a new one. Had to get backup from human.
     
  5. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    I got her to eat, out of my hand first, maybe this bounce is just uncomfortable, I don’t know.... I feel so awful that I may have missed a bad low last night? After her PM +4 she was still pretty high compared to yesterday AM, so I went ahead and slept at some point, after feeding/leaving food. She was snuggled with me plenty. Ugh that kitty care “did I mess up?” guilt thing. :(
     
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  6. carfurby

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    Don't be hard on yourself. You have to sleep sometime. You do a great job taking care of her. She could be bouncing from the lime green yesterday. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  7. Ti-Mousse

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    Nice to see she had food and kept it ! Could be this big bounce and maybe a bad low last night that make her feel miserable !
    Hope she keeps on eating well today. Don't feel guilty, you're doing great! :bighug:
     
  8. Sue and Luci

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    That high number this morning could be a response from yesterday's low number - that's quite a drop yesterday - so her body is saying WTH!! Hope she'll settle down and eat a little - could have been she was so hungry she gobbled and puked..sometimes when they eat too fast that happens...you didn't mess up...just give her tiny amounts of food to see if she'll keep it down...before giving more...let's see how the day goes...try not to panic :bighug:
     
  9. Sandi & Whisper

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    No guilt! I saw your cute video yesterday - she looks AMAZING! Just step back and look at how far you've come. Try not to worry about daily issues unless they become ongoing issues. Wait for urine, get a ketone test, there's nothing to worry about until there's something to worry about.

    Don't forget that you got lime greens two days in a row this might just be a delayed bounce from that? I too wondered if maybe she just ate too fast today since her breakfast was late. Boy, you just can't get good help, can you Alice?!?!?! ;)

    And just think about what you just said: "She was snuggled with me plenty". Total bliss. That's what it is about.
     
  10. Crista & Ming

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    Maybe she was bouncing from the 46 yesterday/the long run of greens.

    Paws crossed she stays healthy and eats for you!
     
  11. Jill & Scooter

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    Hope Alice’s tummy settles down! Really hope she just ate too fast and isn’t sick.
     
  12. Olive & Paula

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    Keep and she on her and I'm hoping tummy will settle down. Every so often you get a day like that as they adjust to new normals.
     
  13. CandyH and Catcat

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    agree, sometimes they eat too fast, get too excited, and one gulp is enough to set off the spasm -- 'Imi cat is like that, I almost have to put food down morsel by morsel; he's not nauseated, has an oversensitive nervous system I guess -- but he's made it to age 17 being a mostly-outdoor cat
     
  14. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Well I took a bit of nap on the couch, asked thebhiman to feed her again when she cried about it, but got up to take a +4 and she has thrown up again at some point (didn’t have my glasses on, stepped. +4 has brought her down to 216. But of course probably because she’s thrown up nearly everything so far today?
    She wants to eat, so I don’t really understand. I just hand fed her a small amount. She’s walking around looking at me like where is more?


    —-and as I write this she threw up again, whatever I fed her.

    Okay I need help, what do I do?
     
  15. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Should I give cerenia, call her vet....?? She wants food, she really does. :(
     
  16. CandyH and Catcat

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    she may need an antacid -- though it almost seems as if her system is saying give me a rest -- how about broth? do you have any without seasonings?
     
  17. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Currently she is drinking alllll the water ever.

    I don’t have any meat-based stuff in the house besides cat food. Can cats use baking soda as antacid?

    Going to sit with her for a bit and see if the water stays down.
     
  18. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Hmm.... no vomiting yet, she’s curled up in one of her spots and having a bath as though she just had a meal. Alice, you confuse me.
     
  19. CandyH and Catcat

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    if she's drinking a lot, she may be diluting whatever it is in her system -- sounds like the way to go -- I would say no to the baking soda, hard to get it gentle enough for cats -- any chance you have unflavored gelatin? or a tiny bit of powdered vitamin C that you could add to the water? sometimes citric acid will settle a stomach (doesn't make sense but I know it works, at least in humans) -- am sure there are others who have even better ideas
     
  20. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Lol I have to say no, once again, I suppose my cupboards are too bare for that. I agree maybe she is diluting things a bit.... as long as she is getting fluids then I feel a little better, I don’t want her dehydrated too. I wonder sometimes if super high blood sugar can make them nauseous anyway?
    I never gave the cerenia, if it “doesn’t hurt” then I can always go ahead and give some just in case.....
     
  21. JoyBee&Ravan

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    Ravan went off his food for a few weeks. He was nauseated. A new vet told me some cats don't feel good when their BG is too low. I started giving him less insulin to let his Bg go above 60 & within days he started eating better, No more nausea !

    He had a few days when he seemed to want to eat but didn't. I think he just needed to let his stomach rest with no food for a while.

    I've had a stomach bug when I couldn't even sip water or I'd vomit. It took an entire day of no food or even water before I felt better.

    I hope Alice feels better by the end of the day :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  22. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Thank you @JoyBee&Ravan .... maybe the high BGL is making her feel sick. I just get so scared because last time she couldn’t keep food down she ended up almost dying. So I’m in instant alarm mode.
    In your opinion would you go ahead and give cerenia? Is there any reason not to?
     
  23. Penelope and Mačka

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    I would try some Cerenia and then try feeding again in 2-3 hours, do you know the right dose for her? I was told that cerenia is also good for little digestive issues in addition to nausea.

    In my experience, when Macka was DKA, he vomited, but not food, or if, very digested already. He would not scarf and barf. But of course, get a ketones strip and put your mind at ease!
     
  24. Penelope and Mačka

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    It can only help!
     
  25. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    @Penelope and Mačka , waiting to catch a pee, realizing I haven’t caught one for a ketone test in quite awhile now!

    I have given her about equivalent to a chocolate chip size of actual food, and she wanted to lick the contents of the can, so far so good.

    May let her sit a little and then give the cerenia shortly..... I do have her dosage I think, I still have some left from before..... then again she was about one and a half kilograms smaller then.
     
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  26. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Gave cerenia... she spit some out so I figure she got maybe 1/8 tablet.....
     
  27. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Now she threw up water everywhere.
     
  28. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    She is really chipper, rubbing her face on stuff, walking around, grooming, just cannot keep anything down. Is there a nausea medicine I could get as a shot? Or at least maybe I could try to get some ondansetron (Zofran) from my vet? What can I do?
     
  29. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    So for now I fed her about a morsel of food, she’s chilling on the bed with me watching this 24/7 cat tv channel we found on the roku my friend gave us yesterday. I have a video now of Alice watching it. It’s kind of amazing how into it she is. :joyful:
     
  30. Penelope and Mačka

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    Cerenia can be given by shot at the vet. Did you give it to her with a pill pocket? I don't think it tastes good at all!
     
  31. Penelope and Mačka

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    What about the ketones?
     
  32. Sandi & Whisper

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    Sorry I couldn't respond earlier. Yes, Cerenia can be given by injection and in my experience it works a lot better than the pills. But I think it is also fairly expensive. If you have or can get Ondansetron, I would absolutely try that. Probably over the Cerenia injection, but that's just my gut feeling. Poor little girl.

    At least she seems to be feeling/acting well. Silly Alice :nailbiting:
     
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  33. Crista & Ming

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    Cerenia tastes like butts. Giving it to a vomiting cat is the worst in my experience.

    How much does Alice weigh now and what is the strength of the cerenia pill that you have?

    Alice is probably drinking water from throwing up so much so she is probably a bit dehydrated. I’m glad she still wants to eat and is acting good. I would probably try for ondansetron as well and something to settle the stomach. Have you tried SEB before? Slippery Elm Bark. It might be a good thing to add regularly to Alice’s regime. You just can’t give medication 2 hours before and after giving SEB.
     
  34. Tina Marie and Jan

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    High blood sugar can definitely make a person nauseous, especially if not used to being high, or blood glucose goes up quickly. Low blood sugar doesn't feel good either, but it feels great (lots of energy) before getting too low.
    I would expect cats to be a bit similar to how humans feel when out of range.
     
  35. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    We rested in bed together, I have been fatigued lately, and I got up for a +9 and she was down to 44!!!! Soooo I had her lick some syrup off my finger and then gave her a small nibble of food...... I would normally give a larger amount of LC and leave it at that but I don’t know if she will keep it down this time or not.
     
  36. Crista & Ming

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    Just to clarify: giving a cerenia pill to a vomiting cat is fine. It just sucks because it tastes bad and makes then vomit more.

    And oh my Alice!! I hope she eats and keeps it down for you later.
     
  37. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    +9.4ish has her up to 71, mostly from the syrup of course, gave her another morsel of food. Going to wait a bit and make sure she is keeping it down because that’s two nibbles.
     
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  38. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Oh I wonder if it will be safe to give her a shot tonight??

    +10 is 72.... I don’t even know if I should keep feeding her or not.
     
  39. Susan&Felix

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    Vines for this bout to be over soon.:bighug: I'm glad Alice is in good spirits and seems to be feeling well, even if her poor momma is having a hard time.

    Maybe put up the question-mark prefix?
     
  40. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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  41. carfurby

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    I'd see if you can get her to eat and keep it down so you'll know if she will be able to eat at shot time. You may need to shoot a reduced dose tonight if she's not eating well.
     
  42. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    She kept down what I fed her last, I fed her right before +10..... it was a small amount but she has been resting and now she is grooming on the bed. If she can eat and keep it down, should I shoot normal?
     
  43. carfurby

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    If she can keep her food down, and you can monitor tonight, I think you can shoot the normal dose. I think the 44 today was from not eating very much.
     
  44. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    PMPS 81.... steady, at least!
     
  45. carfurby

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    Did you shoot?
     
  46. JoyBee&Ravan

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    I try not to use any drugs . I give SEB to my kitties if they're nauseated . It has always worked so That's the only thing I've ever given them.
     
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  47. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Yes. 1.5u

    I don’t have any. Can you find it in health food stores? Or just online?



    +2 is 79, nice and steady.
     
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  48. Figaro's Liz

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    I hope today was an outlier, and that Alice continues to have a steady safe evening!
     
  49. Krystina & Nelli

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    @Bobbie And Bubba has a good source and is a great contact for experience with SEB :) ;)
     
  50. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    There’s a specific reason I ask if it is considered a food product or else.... is it cheap? I think my outdoor baby could use it a little too.


    +4 is 131, that’s good, she is eating..... can I call off the testing after a +6, anyone?
     
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  51. Krystina & Nelli

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    My shout out is... yes :bighug:
     
  52. carfurby

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    I'm glad Alice surfed safely for you. I hope you're getting some sleep.
     
  53. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I am so glad she is eating and feeling better!

    I use Starwest organic SEB. It lasts a long time and I use it daily for Bubba. You can get it on Amazon .

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  54. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    Thanks. It’s too much for us for now..... how do you know how much to give though? How does it taste? Do you sneak it into stuff?
     
  55. Sandi & Whisper

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    https://felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm#seb_what_is_it

    I got mine at a natural food store. The cost per pound looked RIDICULOUS, I don't even remember, but it made my eyes bug out. But then you scoop out what you need and realize that it weighs less than air! I got a few fluffy tablespoons of it from their bulk food/spices/supplements bins, and was still worried as I carried it to the register, but they weighed it and it came to like $1.50 or so? I just wanted to try it first before buying too much. I was at what I think is a local health food store called Harmony Farms, but I don't know if a more national chain like Whole Foods carries it or not. I would call around first.
     
  56. AliceMeowliss&Cassandra

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    That’s perfect, exactly what I needed! I know the natural foods stores around here so if it’s something some places would carry bulk like that then I’m sure I can find it in a small amount! :)
     

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