Chase 3/5 +2:181,+3:98,+3.5:45,+3.75:22,+4.25:64,+4.75:122,+5:136,+7:92,+8:47,+8.75:82,+9.5:93

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Is the MC just too much, @Marje and Gracie? Look at his numbers this morning. It "appears" as though giving him straight MC food is keeping his numbers up.

I hope something happens soon. I can't stay on my work schedule indefinitely. I will have to be getting back to only getting a +1 before leaving on the weekdays. Should I have considered this when making the decision on changing his dosage and carbs? I'm going to say that I can be here for one more week, until +3 for testing. After that, I just don't know.

What do you think, @Marje and Gracie ?

I'm still not feeling well. Going to go and lay back down. Setting my alarm to get a +3.

Not sure if I should give him more MC. He seems very sensitive to changes. I wish someone could have been around to observe. I guess his BG being too high is better than it being too low. I'm not going to feed him until I get a +3. He's not happy with me, but that's just the way it's going to be. :(
 
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The numbers might go up but that allows you to get more insulin in him. Remember that the depot has to adjust to the new dose and even with a small increase, he might see a temporary increase in the BG.

Also remember that I indicated 0.25u would be my choice in dose but that you could take it slowly if you need to. I recommended the 0.25u dose because of the recommendation to increase the carbs.

The goal is to be able to get more insulin into him safely More insulin should bring the overall curve down and using the MC will be what allows you to safely get the increased dose in him and, hopefully, keep him flatter.

I don't think there is a significant increase from 141 to 181. Yes, it's different than what you are used to seeing. But let's see how the next few cycles pan out.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
The numbers might go up but that allows you to get more insulin in him. Remember that the depot has to adjust to the new dose and even with a small increase, he might see a temporary increase in the BG.

Also remember that I indicated 0.25u would be my choice in dose but that you could take it slowly if you need to. I recommended the 0.25u dose because of the recommendation to increase the carbs.

The goal is to be able to get more insulin into him safely More insulin should bring the overall curve down and using the MC will be what allows you to safely get the increased dose in him and, hopefully, keep him flatter.

I don't think there is a significant increase from 141 to 181. Yes, it's different than what you are used to seeing. But let's see how the next few cycles pan out.
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Nose dive @98 for his +3. Do I give him HC gravy?
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I think the MC was a good choice and I would get another test 30 minutes after the MC food and see if it slowed him down.
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Thank you, Bobbie. I was going to test him 30 min after feeding, since his number went so low. Chase is so much like me, and he likes consistency. Unfortunately, diabetes isn't consistent. LOL.

How is Bubba doing? (I call Chase Bubba, too) :)
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
(I call Chase Bubba, too
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That is too cute My Bubba was originally MacGyver but he just kept growing and growing so we nicknamed him Bubba and it just stuck.

We are good except Bubba wants to make me a litte nervous with throwing the blues AMBG the last two days :rolleyes: But still normal numbers .........
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
That is too cute My Bubba was originally MacGyver but he just kept growing and growing so we nicknamed him Bubba and it just stuck.

We are good except Bubba wants to make me a litte nervous with throwing the blues AMBG the last two days :rolleyes: But still normal numbers .........
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AMBG... is that morning blood glucose?
 
I will go ahead and check him at +4. I've been told that it's best to wait 30 minutes after food has been used to steer the numbers because 20 minutes is quite long enough. Although with him... who knows. LOL. He is a drama king. o.o. I'm watching him closely. If he starts acting strangely I will test immediately.
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
I will go ahead and check him at +4. I've been told that it's best to wait 30 minutes after food has been used to steer the numbers because 20 minutes is quite long enough. Although with him... who knows. LOL. He is a drama king. o.o. I'm watching him closely. If he starts acting strangely I will test immediately.
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What ever makes you comfortable but, I would test in 20 if it were my kitty because A. It's a number in the 40's and
B. it is early in the cycle and C. We know what an early and dramatic dropper he is .

ETA And yes, many say 30 to give the HC a chance to work and not over carb but I don't like playing it that close this early but, again, do what makes you the most comfortable.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
What ever makes you comfortable but, I would test in 20 if it were my kitty because A. It's a number in the 40's and
B. it is early in the cycle and C. We know what an early and dramatic dropper he is .

ETA And yes, many say 30 to give the HC a chance to work and not over carb but I don't like playing it that close this early but, again, do what makes you the most comfortable.
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You're right. It can't hurt to test him again. :)

I made a mistake when I didn't feed him at +2. :(

Going to test him right now. Thank you for your encouragement, Bobbie! :bighug:
 
Chase, get back up now.

Glad you have decided to test again in 20min, if he had been in the 60's I would have waited 30min, but with a number in the 40's not much margin for error, it doesn't matter if you over carb him, the goal is to get him into safe numbers.

Sure we don't want to use a sledgehammer at this point, but a little extra oomph might be necessary to get him above 50.

If he is still dropping at the next test or hasn't come up, you can add a drop of honey to boost the carbs in the gravy to encourage him to come up.
 
Breathe, Sandi....and give him about 1/2 tsp of Karo with some gravy and retest in 15.


Glad you caught that +2 drop.

Yes...as we are doing this, you need to keep up a constant feeding schedule and feed MC even if he goes up a bit. And, no criticism here at all as you are learning, but with an enormous drop like that between +2 and +3, I would have fed HC.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Breathe, Sandi....and give him about 1/2 tsp of Karo with some gravy and retest in 15.


Glad you caught that +2 drop.

Yes...as we are doing this, you need to keep up a constant feeding schedule and feed MC even if he goes up a bit. And, no criticism here at all as you are learning, but with an enormous drop like that between +2 and +3, I would have fed HC.
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I did feed him HC. And now I have given him more. And I added Karo. This is his very first time getting Karo.

I'm sorry... but I'm freaking out. I didn't do all of this very well. :( I saw your note about the Karo after I gave him more HC... so I just added 1/2 tsp to a little more gravy and will test in 15.
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
Thank God you were here, Bobbie. I am extremely nervous about increasing his insulin... and this is why. He has a track record for doing the nose dive thing, and I should have had a plan in place.
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Well, I think that Marje's food schedule with the " Chase Mix" is a good plan and glad to see that 64.
 
Thank goodness he's up, the little stinker.
That might be the karo that has caused him to come up and as that can wear off, I would now suggest you give him a teaspoon of MC and then check him again in 20-30min, to make sure he is still rising, they can sometimes dip as the carbs wear off.
 
I know I made a very bad decision when I didn't feed him at +2. VERY BAD. I am so grateful that Bobbie was watching... especially since everything got changed, this morning. Such a bad time to NOT be paying closer attention. I feel horrible... absolutely horrible about this. :arghh:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Well, I think that Marje's food schedule with the " Chase Mix" is a good plan and glad to see that 64.
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Yes except it was going to be total MC not the Chase mix. We wanted to increase the carbs to fine tune the dose. But that also means continuing to feed at PS, +1 and +2 to flatten the drop and then leave food out for later.

If the feeding schedule is altered because numbers go up, then there is not enough food on board at onset.

But, Sandi....do not feel horrible. He's fine. Lesson learned. It happens.

Gills suggestion to feed MC now is a good one.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Yes except it was going to be total MC not the Chase mix. We wanted to increase the carbs to fine tune the dose. But that also means continuing to feed at PS, +1 and +2 to flatten the drop and then leave food out for later.

If the feeding schedule is altered because numbers go up, then there is not enough food on board at onset.

But, Sandi....do not feel horrible. He's fine. Lesson learned. It happens.

Gills suggestion to feed MC now is a good one.
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I already did feed MC.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Yes except it was going to be total MC not the Chase mix. We wanted to increase the carbs to fine tune the dose. But that also means continuing to feed at PS, +1 and +2 to flatten the drop and then leave food out for later.
It has been total MC, today... until he got into trouble. I even logged what I'm feeding him.

If the feeding schedule is altered because numbers go up, then there is not enough food on board at onset.

But, Sandi....do not feel horrible. He's fine. Lesson learned. It happens.

Gills suggestion to feed MC now is a good one.
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Bobbie And Bubba said:
I thought the Chase Mix was MC ( isn't it LC and HC making MC) sorry, I am confused :confused: Sandi, listen to Marje with the food thing because she is the one that has been guiding you.
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Chase Mix is MC and LC (making it higher carb LC) though sandi does sometimes add some gravy to it when he has dropped fast into greens. :)
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I thought the Chase Mix was MC ( isn't it LC and HC making MC) sorry, I am confused :confused: Sandi, listen to Marje with the food thing because she is the one that has been guiding you.
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You're fine, Bobbie. Don't worry. The Chase Mix was MC and LC to bring up the level of the LC.
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
I already did feed MC.
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Yes, you did and that is good. We just need you to stay on top of the testing for when the HC wears off.

And he's very likely to bounce from this so just breathe. It will be ok.
 
No more "Chase Mix". I only did that because it was suggested to me. I note everything, but it's still confusing to people, so from now on it will be MC. If I need to adjust it because of low numbers, then he will get HC to do that. But no more mixing.. especially since his food and insulin have been changed.
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
No more "Chase Mix". I only did that because it was suggested to me. I note everything, but it's still confusing to people, so from now on it will be MC. If I need to adjust it because of low numbers, then he will get HC to do that. But no more mixing.. especially since his food and insulin have been changed.
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But let's be clear so those reading the condo will know. You were giving him Chase Mix last week when he was on a drop of insulin. Today, you fed straight MC except when the numbers dropped to 45 and then you fed HC.
 
Sandi

I also have to run out but will be back later. You know what to do. If he drops back down and you need help, put up the 911 again but you handled it just fine earlier.

Remember that you are in control with testing and food/syrup.

I want to post some important thoughts to you later and before you shoot tonight as well as a potential plan going forward that you can consider.
 
Gill & George said:
Just a gentle reminder it's about 30min since the 64, have you got another test in yet, want to make sure he hasn't dipped again and is sustaining his BG.
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I already tested and had already put it on his SS.

He's gone way up, again. His numbers, over the last week, may have not been optimal, but his reactions were making more sense to me and he seemed to be flattening out. Now he is all over the place. :( I've been sick and missed 2 days of work. My work days are going back to normal very soon, which means no more testing +3s on weekdays. Now I don't know what to do. :(
 
So... now that he's up to 122, and because his diet has changed... do I still feed his ice cube sized snacks in the feeder? Straight MC now? All at the same times in the feeder? How often do I test him, today?
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
I already tested and had already put it on his SS.
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I was just looking and saw he is up at 122.
With the speed of the drop and how far he dropped like Marje said it wouldn't be surprising if he bounced, try not to worry about the higher numbers, he's still looking so good, try and see the whole picture.

Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
How often do I test him, today?
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As you have two numbers that are rising, what you now wan't to do is make sure that he is staying up two hours after you last gave the HC, which was at +3.75 by my reckoning, so I would test him again at +5.75, and take it from there.

Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
do I still feed his ice cube sized snacks in the feeder?
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Yes feed his snacks in the feeder going forward, I would think that you would feed the straight MC in the first half of the cycle, feeding LC or Chase mix later in the cycle. But I would like to see what Marje's opinion is on that.

Don't sweat it Sandi, he'll recover, I had a similar experience with George, where I failed to get out the big guns when I saw an early precipitous drop, it resulted in almost 4hrs of HC food fest for George, needless to say, I didn't make that mistake again, we all learn from our experiences.:bighug::bighug::bighug: Chase will recover, and once he settles down with the new regime you will be able to see some sense in his numbers.
 
@Gill & George... the "big picture" was beginning to make more sense to me. That is.. until this morning. It takes me a while to wrap my brain around something like this... and it takes repetition... and LOTS of it, before the "light bulb" finally goes off. The light bulb had JUST gone off, to a large degree. I don't give up easily... but this process is very difficult for me. I want to do what's best for Chase... always. Here's the kicker for me. Sometimes it would just be best if I weren't such a perfectionist. I end up stressing myself out and then am worse off, in the long run. :(
 
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