Chuck's bouncy journey, part 13.

Old thread http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/chucks-bouncy-journey-part-12.172588/page-2

PMPS (+13): 592
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate .85oz pate snack at +2.5
Gave 5.8 units rear scruff
+1.25 599
+2.25 508 (DH checked before he left for work)
+6.5 329

 

+9.5 361

 

AMPS: 406
Fed 4.5oz super supper .8oz pate at +2.5, 1/16th cup YA at +6
Gave 5 units.

 

+1 461

 

+2 360

 

.8oz pate snack at +2.5
+4 378

Hope 5 units is enough.

 

Come on down, Chuck!

 

AMPS 356

Dose suggestions? 4.8 or 5? I will be out of the house between +1 and +2.5 ish

 

AMPS 356
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna. .8oz pate snack at +2. 1/16th cup YA at +6.
Gave 4.9 units (skinny 5)

 

Dang, sorry, Steph! Busy day at work today. I think that was a fine dose!

 

It's OK, I understand. Question: do the u40 syringes need to be 3/10 ml? I just got a box of 100 from my vet and they are 0.5 mL 29G 1/2 inch u-40 syringes.
I think they're too big. Measure up to 20 units with only whole unit markings.

 

+0.75 484
+7 309

Starting to look like he needs a bigger dose on PM cycle vs his AM. His night and days are mixed up!

 

They'll be harder to use for fractional doses. Haven't you been using U100s?

 

Yes. They told me they had half units and I'm running low on u100s... I think I'm going to return them. They also charged me $45 for a box of 100! We will have some words about that too! I just hope they let me return them. They are individually wrapped so I don't see an issue with it.

 

+9 411
AMPS (+11): 466
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate
.8oz pate at +3 and 1/16th cup YA at +6
Gave 5 units.

I also got the copies of Chuck's blood work from the last two times he had it done. I update his Labs sheet on his ss. Looked fairly normal with the exception of a few- glucose being one of course. Looks like he was borderline in November 2014! He never should have had the **** depo shot. Hindsight is 20/20 of course.

 

+1 496
+2 590

 

That's crazy! Syringes should not be that expensive. I hope they let you return them!!

 

Chuck being Chuck, Steph ... you'll get him going again. Do you need a prescription from your vet to buy U100s at Walmart or another pharmacy?

 

I don't think I need an rx. My neighbor told me she had "a ton" of syringes from when her husband was alive... unused. I asked her to dig them out for me so I can see if I can use them. If so-- free! I didn't get to the vet today but will call them and see if they''ll refund my money or credit my account. Not like I won't be back!

 

+3 .8oz pate snack
+4 364
+8.5 256
PMPS: 366
Fed 5.5oz (whole can)
Gave 5.1 units
+2 476 finished his pate that he left in his dish.
1/18th c YA at +6 or possibly some stella & chewy's.

 

Not happy with Chuck's numbers today.
+3 445
+5 416
+7 362
Waiting for a urine sample to test for ketones. He's acting normal but he's been higher for a few cycles so I'm starting to worry.
I'm going to increase his dose tomorrow PM. DH will be doing his AMPS and testing after wards. I'll be out of the house from +6 til +2.5 after pmps.
Thought we were getting somewhere, FINALLY... try try (and try and try and try) again!

 

+9 330 2nd test 371
+11 390
AMPS: 393
Fed 4.5oz .8oz pate at +2
Gave 5 units
+2 599
+4 564
+6.5 497 micro .2u *DO NOT COPY MY DOSING.*
+6 negative ketones.
DH is monitoring.
DH left the fridge door open 6 inches for 2 hours this morning!! internal temp by insulin, the vial is in a medicine bottle, was 68°!!!! I could strangle him! I already forgot it was in my purse and it was in room temp for an hour. New vial isn't opened. Hopefully it's still good. I'm sooooo PO'd I could cry. I already screwed up and now because he couldn't take 0.2 seconds to push the door shut... We might be trying to afford another bottle. And I woke up with a really sore throat and ear/neck. It's just not my day... I need to be sent to the beach for a time out and not allowed to return til my attitude changes!

 

Sounds like a perfect remedy for what ails you, Steph! Poor you!

 

I'm so sorry that you are feeling poorly, @StephG . Do what you need to do to take care of you! Hopefully, Mr. Chuck will cooperate today.

For me personally, when I start to feel sick, I like to wrap up in a hoodie or robe with a scarf around my neck, and eat hot soup (spicy/ginger/garlic help--if you can tolerate!) and drink therapeutic teas or ginger tea. Rest if you can!! Sending healing thoughts your way, and positive feel-good vibes to Mr. Chuck.

 

That's similar to what I do. Make a huge pot of chicken soup with a load of ginger, garlic and hot pepper flakes and eat it all over the course of the day. Hot water with honey and lemon is nice too.

 

Friday is my busy day. I watch a 3 and 5 year old. They're sick today too so we had lots of cuddles on the couch instead of the usual referee job.

 

What a day.
PMPS: 474
Fed 4.5oz pate 0.8oz pate snack at +2
DH gave 5.5u
He also left kitty's pate out. Chuck finished it I'm sure.
+3 441 .3 mico dose *DO NOT COPY MY DOSING*
+4 399
+5 408 NEGATIVE KETONES
+6 342
+8 370

 

+10 327
+12 283
Stalling another hour due to the late mirco at +3... Chuck is less than amused.

 

Cats do not like being less than amused.

 

He's been telling me about it for the last hour!
AMPS (+12.5): 364
Fed 4.5oz .8oz pate at +2.5 1/16c YA at +5.5
Gave 5.1 units
DH will monitor.

 

My cats hate the stall. Especially my civvie. She stares at me like I'm an idiot that forgot to feed her. Civvie has tortitude.

 

Haha my civvie sat on the arm of the couch tapping me with his paw. Like, hello?! You forgot something!!

+1 403

 

Personally, I'm always happy when I see "negative ketones"!

 

+2 273 (good thing I was sleeping or I might have panicked and given food!)
+3 261
+5 162
+ 10 152
He's starving but he's not due for food til 3. We might not get home until 3:30 but looking at his numbers that might be just fine.

 

+12.5 296
Thinking 5 units again. Seems to need more for PM dose... Should I do 5.1 again?

 

OK.
PMPS 296
Fed 4.5oz super supper pate. .8 oz snack at +3
Gave fat 5 units.

 

+1 361
+2 359
+3.5 250

 

+5 203

 

+7 213
Ordered more u100 syringes that are the same ones I have now.

 

AMPS (+10): 321
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate. .8oz pate snack at +2.5 and 1/16th cup YA at +5.5
Gave 5.1 units
+1 407

 

+2 302

 

+3 280

 

+4.5 243
+8 326
PMPS: HI
Fed 4.5 oz chicken pate .8oz pate at +3
Gave 5.8 units
+1 HI
+2 464
+3 353
+4 291
+5.75 387
+6 383
+8 469 I'm assuming he is bouncing from the quick drop. I thought 5.8 would be ok from the pm cycle on 2/14. *sigh* I don't think he got into anything. He's been sleeping all afternoon like usual. I feel bad that he's already so high again. Waiting for a urine sample.

 

PMPS (+10.5): 547
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna pate. .8oz pate snack at +2.5 and 1/16h cup YA at +6
Gave 5.5 units

 

+1 "HI"
+2 "HI"

 

Sorry abt the HI readings, @StephG

 

So sorry Chuck is being Satanic, Steph ... carry on.

 

+3 548
+3.75 468
PMPS (+12.25): 347
Fed 4.5 oz chicken & tuna pate
Gave 5.1 units FUR SHOT
Monitoring to see where his BG goes.
I cut his hair on his rear scruff area. And I was told I need to be more "alpha" when I grab his scruff for the shot. Well whatever. He's been squirming for a week now. Irritates me but I don't make it negative for him because he will hide if he thinks he's in trouble. I swear he's more dog than cat. He didn't like his hair cut. LOL too bad.

 

Sorry you are continuing to have a rough time of it this week. Do you offer treats after the shots? Cliff is very skittish, but has really come around in terms of compliance with the BG test and shots.. because he knows he'll get a treat/reward. It is AMAZING to me that this actually worked, but Cliff literally comes and sits in front of us after he finishes eating, waiting for the shot. Good luck! poor guy...with a shaved bum.

 

I try to shoot while eating... When he's licking the dish clean. He does excellent fit BG tests. Will get up out of his chair and meet us at the table. He lays down and waits till I say OK good boy. Then he looks for treats. I've been giving the treats that came with the YA.
It got worse when I tried the flank. I think it's all in his head. Maybe I'll try his chair for the shots... He's more relaxed there and not much room for squirming!

 

+1 510
+1.75 558

 

I also forgot to say that he's gained! 10.8 pounds Saturday night! Yay!!

 

The gain is great news! I agree that maybe trying to shoot while he's in a spot that he's comfortable with might work. Let us know how it goes.

 

Of course it is!

 

+2 547
+4.5 485 micro .2 *DO NOT COPY MY DOSING*
Gave him 1/8th cup Stella & Chewy's for a snack... He's use to his snack and was not happy that he didn't get it! Turd.

 

Aw ... we know you love Chuck, Steph!

 

+6.25 489

 

+7.5 458
That micro dose only made him surf. Ugh.

 

AMPS (+11): 368
Fed 4.5oz 1/8th cup stella & chewy's at +7 because DH didn't put his snack in the autofeeder.
Gave 5 units from the backup bottle. Didn't open new one.
+2.5 403
+4.25 307
+7 255
+14 575
PMPS (+14.5): "HI" (DH had to leave early for work and I didn't get home by +12)
Fed 4.5oz .8oz pate snack at +2.25
Gave 5.7 units from new bottle.
Will monitor

 

+1.25 HI
+2.75 488
+4.5 413
NOT happy with his numbers tonight. I REALLY hope this bottle of insulin isn't weakened from being warm.

 

+5 334 Looks like it's taking the full 4 hours to start working full force. Maybe I should hold off on his "low carb" pate snack til +5 and give his YA at +2 or +3? Thoughts?

 

Ever since last week when my vet asked me to do a mini curve testing Cliff every hour for four hours after insulin, & he dropped at +4, I've been trying my best not to give him food or snacks until +4. I used to give a snack at +3.

 

Chuck use to race into the blacks if he got a snack after or near +6... But he seems to be dropping after +4 so I might try the snack later.

 

Good luck! ECID, & while Cliff's evening #s have improved, I can't seem to duplicate those #s during the day. It's also impossible for me to wait until+4 to feed his first meal after shot in am. I drop food when I leave for work, usually around +3.

 

I have an auto feeder. I set it as he's eating his meal for 2 hours or 3 hours later and again at +5ish... He gets most of his meal at shot time. I played with less food at shot time and bigger snacks... He wasn't a fan of that.

 

End of last night's cycle:
+6 302
+9 303
+10 250
AMPS (+10): 250
Fed 4.5oz pate. .8oz pate snack at +2
Gave 4.8 units
+1.5 294
+2 221
+2.75 211
+5 258
+9 291
PMPS (+12): "HI"
FED 4.5oz. .8oz pate snack at +3 1T YA at +5

+2 588
+5 480
+7 396

 

I think Chuck is getting a bit dehydrated. I did the scruff pinch test and it doesn't snap back like my civvie's does. How much water should he be drinking? I've been trying to give him some of the stella & chewy's with 60ml water once a day on top of what he eats and drinks on his own. I don't think he's dangerously dehydrated but I rather not let him get there either...

 

Do you add extra water to all his wet food meals?

 

I don't do it with his big meal but I add an ice cube in his snack. Can I over-hydrate him? He drinks less when he's in the 200s and low 300s... but when he's high he drinks like a fish. I just bought him a smaller dish to put his food in at meal time. We use a 9 inch cake pan to feed him in now because he was eating so fast but he's slowed down a lot. I figured we would try it in the morning. How much water should I add into his food? Maybe an ounce or two?
I just gave him a few pieces of stella & chewy's with about 90ml water. He drank all the water and ate a little bit of the actual food.

 

I started adding water to their wet food.i don't measure the amt, but it's probably 1-2tbs for each cat's plate, each meal. My guys nev seem dehydrated since I started doing this.

 

I think Chuck started out dehydrated. His "snap back" test improved A LOT since the beginning but with him being lazy and laying on the table vs his chair it made me wonder if he's feeling icky from being a bit dehydrated so I tested and it seemed normal until I tested my civvie. Then I felt awful. I should have checked sooner... shoulda, coulda, woulda... Going to try to get more water in his diet. I just worry about over hydrating-- I know it's a thing with subQs but he doesn't get those...

 

+10 351
AMPS (+11): 333
Fed 4.5oz with 2 tablespoons water. .8oz pate + 1 tablespoon water for snack at +2. 1 tablespoons YA at +5
Gave 5 units.
DH will monitor. Hoping for a quiet cycle. I irritated my back at walmart and then again trying to straighten out a cushion... Just couldn't leave it crooked! *derp*

 

+1 403
+2 270
Looks like a repeat of AM cycle on 2/18... Not giving any extra food because he already had his snack so paws crossed for surfing in blues!

 

Maybe someone else can chime in abt how much water they add, and your concerns abt overhydration? I've been adding water since mid January and I really think it helps. Plus, I use warm water and I think it helps "warm-up" food that I'm pulling from the fridge--which my guys used to be picky abt eating "leftovers" but now I don't think they notice!

 

Hmmm...I don't know about overhydration. I add enough water that it seems kind of "soupy".

 

I don't think he'll overhydrate with water added to wet food. He'll pee out the excess. There's a danger of that happening when people are giving subQ fluids to kitties with heart issues. I add warm water to make a lumpy "stew" of the wet food. I do it for all three of mine and it shows up as more big lumps in the litter box but I swear it helps coat condition and Teasel's sister's tendency to get mild cystitis.

 

Kitty gets crystals in his urine. He has litterbox avoidance because of it. That and he was declawed by his first owner. He uses "chucks" pee pads to pee on and just recently he's been pooing in the box! I spent countless dollars on expensive litters to get him to use the box and when I switched to plain old non-scoopable"clay" litter he started pooing in there!! He's quite prissy. Anyway, he could benefit from more water too. He also gets constipated and will literally run around the house trying to poop anywhere when he is constipated. Breaks my heart but the miralax gave him a upset belly even though it was 1/16th of a tsp split in two meals am/pm. I'll try adding some water for him too. I know he won't eat a soupy consistency but he's well hydrated according to his snap back test so a tablespoon should work for him. Chuck seems a little brighter today. Not stretching out on the table like the last few days. I opened the door and they are exploring outside. It's incredibly warm here in upstate NY, 63 degrees in the end of February?! We are loving it! My floors, not so much lol they're covered in muddy drooler footprints.

 

+4 297
+8 234
PMPS: 353
Fed 4.5oz with 2T water. .8oz pate + 1Twater at +2.5. 1/16th c YA at +4.5 and 5 pieces S&C with 1/4c water at +9.
Gave 5.1 units
Will monitor.

 

+2 334
+3 281
+4 264
+6 320

 

+7 410
NEGATIVE KETONES

 

+8.5 510 Going to feed and shoot early. I didn't give him the stella & chewy's snack.

 

AMPS (+10): 493
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna pate with 2 T water. .8oz pate + 1 T water at +2.5 and 5 pieces S&C with 1/4 c water at +5.
Gave 5.6 units.
DH will monitor.

 

+1 599
+2 509 hope he doesn't drop too fast and bounce early.

 

+4 337
PMPS (+13): "HI"
Fed 4.5oz+ 2T water .8oz pate + 1 T water at +2.5 1T YA at +5.
Gave 5.8 units.
+2 517
NEGATIVE KETONES
+8 396
AMPS (+11): 553
Fed 4.5oz+ 2T water .8oz pate + 1 T water at +2.5 1T YA at +5.
Gave 5.8 units

 

+1 457
+2 445

 

He has to keep you guessing or he wouldn't be Chuck.

 

+4 323
+5 304
PMPS (+12): 316
Fed 4.5oz + 2T water. .8oz pate + 1T water at +2. 1T YA at +5. 1T YA at +9.
Gave 5.1 units.
+1 472
+2 421
+3 394
AMPS (+12): 423
Fed 4.5oz + 2T water. .8oz + 1T water at +2. 1T YA at +5.
Gave FAT 5.2

 

+1 549
+2 480
+4.25 382
+5.25 383
PMPS (+12): 394
Fed 4.5oz + 2T water. .8oz pate + 1 T water at +2.5. 1 T YA at +5.
Gave 5.4 units.
+2 502
+ 336
+7 291

I've been thinking about trying some SP Pancreatrophin PMG. I can get a bottle of 90 tablets for about $20. I don't think he has pancreatitis or anything like that but I wondered if it would help his pancreas heal and become more productive?
I also have been thinking about trying the Zobaline b12 supplement to help with his neuropathy. He doesn't like his back end messed with much and I assume it's from the diabetes. He walks "normal" but the zobaline can't hurt can it?

 

+10 390
AMPS (+11): 344
Fed 4.5oz + 2T water. .8oz pate + 1T water @ +2.5. 1T YA @ +5.
Gave 5.6 units.
Will monitor.

 

+1 457

 

+2 402

 

+3.5 400

 

Are you wondering about your new bottle of ProZinc?

 

Definitely wondering if it's not normal from the warming incidents.

 

+5 340
AMPS (+13): 361
Fed 4.5oz + 2T water. .8 oz pate + 1 T water at +2.5. 1T YA at +5.5.
Gave 5.8 units. Will monitor.
I definitely think my bottle of ProZinc has been damaged from being warm too long. Can I still continue to use it or should I test it with a new bottle? I'm trying to find a more stable temp area in my fridge. I've got an old fridge and the back freezes and the front sweats. Pain in my butt. Had the insulin in an area that ran about 40-41 degrees but the last few days the "high" temp it reached was 44-45 which I think is to high.

 

I also have the backup bottle in the fridge. The end of the bottle from January I believe... Idk not the last bottle but the one before that. But that was in the same spot as this bottle in the fridge when the door was left open. It didn't get the extra warming time in my purse like this new bottle though. Maybe I should try his am dose with that bottle? I would go back to the lower dose that was working for him, around 5 units.
I hate to waste $110 and gave to get a new bottle but whatever is best for him. I could keep this one as a 2nd emergency back up since it does have some effect on his numbers, for now.

 

Unfortunately, St

Unfortunately, Steph, the only way to know is by getting a new bottle - $$$ The data since you started this bottle suggests there might be a problem with this insulin. He'd been doing well and now you've lost thew blues.

 

Try that backup bottle first.

 

+2 416
I will try the backup bottle in the morning at the lower dose that was working.