Civvie w/pica, scratched and raw neck

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  1. BJM

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    Smokey Joe, aka "Jojo" has asthma, so hearing wheezy coughs and seeing him hang over the edges of counters and boxes while doing that always raises my suspicion that his asthma could be flaring ... and asthma can kill. Not that I'm a helicopter mom or anything like that!

    He also has pica - a condition where non-food items are consumed. His inert ingredient of choice? Plastic bags. I've found shreds of them in both vomit and feces. Ick!

    It seemed as though his meds weren't lasting the 48 hours between doses, with more episodes of coughing. Took him in to the vet and got an x-ray. His lungs are typical for asthma, with some evidence of dilation, but not obviously in trouble and he was breathing normally. His stomach on the other had, was enormous.

    He stayed at the vet overnight, fasting and a repeat x-ray was done. Still enormous, and no defecation had happened. He's going to stay at the vet this weekend in case he becomes acute, and if nothing moves through, he's having surgery on Monday.

    I'll go visit later today.

    *sigh* My budget really did not need this!
     
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  2. Squeaky and KT (GA)

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    Poor Jojo - I'm sure that feels awful! Hopefully things will improve instead of going downhill.

    HUGS BJ and extra thoughts and prayers for Jojo too.
     
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  3. Sharon14

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    Sending healing vines for Jojo, hope things go well this weekend and surgery will not be necessary.
     
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    Healing vines sent your way.
     
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  5. Squalliesmom

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    BJ, I have the exact same issues with one of my civvies, and I'm always terrified when I don't see her in the LB several times a day. I can really understand your worry and concern. I hope it turns out to be nothing and Jojo won't need surgery! Sending hugs and healing vines. Please keep us posted!

    Lucy :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Visited Jojo for about an hour. Nothing is moving through yet. Seems to be doing OK, not in any pain. Fingers crossed that defecation, preferably with the plastic bags in it, happens over the weekend and that he doesn't develop an acute abdomen while waiting.
     
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    Fingers and paws crossed for Jojo and you! :bighug:
     
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    Oh no!
    Fingers and paws crossed for Jojo. Sending healing vines. Please keep us posted.
     
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    Sending many healing vines and poo vines.
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  10. Squalliesmom

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    How is Jojo today?
     
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  11. BJM

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    No visiting hours today. I'm sure the kennel staff would have contacted the vet if they observed anything. I fully anticipate his going to have surgery tomorrow.

    I miss having the little monster around, even if he goes after civvie Precious.
     
  12. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    Oh Wow - sorry to hear this! Praying things move along so no surgery is needed. Geez these guys can sure keep us on our toes!
     
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  13. Squalliesmom

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    Oh, so sorry you didn't get to visit with him today. Still keeping positive thoughts for him, and sending healing vines. I know you must miss him terribly, hope he comes home soon, good as new! :):bighug:
     
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    Vet called me back: his stomach is still very distended and he has not eaten for them, either, so he's having surgery tomorrow.

    Its going on 3 days without eating which is probably stress, in addition to whatever is in his stomach. This puts him at risk of hepatic lipidosis (even in a non-diabetic, not eating for 2-3 days can start that process). She'll be putting in an esophageal tube in case the inappetance continues after surgery.
     
  15. Deb & Wink

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    Hoping surgery goes well for Smokey Joe today and the feeding tube will not be needed, at least not for long.
     
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  16. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Will be keeping Jojo in our prayers! Hope all goes well and he's back home and being a little monster again real soon! :bighug:
     
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    Fingers and paws crossed for Jojo! **I also replied on another thread**
     
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    Sending many vines for it all to be resolved. Can understand your worry :bighug:
     
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  19. Maggies Mom Debby

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    So sorry Jojo is set for surgery. Sending feel better vibes his way.
     
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    Sending vines for a successful procedure and a speedy recovery:bighug:
     
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  21. Mitzelplik's Mom

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    So sorry for Jojo. Hope the surgery went smoothly and he gets better soon!
     
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    I managed to leave work a bit early and visit with him for about 15 minutes. I got purrs and some cuddles.
     
  23. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Sending positive thoughts for an uneventful surgery and a speedy recovery.
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  24. mariko

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    Sending many vines and prayers for successful surgery and quick recovery.
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Prayers and vines sent your way. Hope surgery goes well.
     
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  26. Tiger(GA) and Ruth

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    More healing prayers and vines being sent for JoJo and hugs for you :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  27. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    I was hoping that everything would work its way out. Sending prayers for Jo Jo and hugs for Mom.
     
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  28. mariko

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    It's today. It must be nerve wracking for you.
    Sending many positive thoughts and golden lights to Jojo.
    To Jojo, just focus on how well you will feel after this.
    :bighug:
     
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  29. BJM

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    Jojo is in recovery and has eaten some already.
    His bloodwork was all good.
    There were no small intestine blockages. He got an enema to help move stuff in colon. There were wads of plastic in his stomach. Some pieces were small enough he could have aspirated them in vomiting and died from airway obstruction.

    I've got to pick up _ALL_ the plastic bags in the condo... and I wrapped boxes with bags to keep them safe from vomit & pee.
    *sigh*
     
  30. Sharon14

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    So glad the surgery was successful and that Jojo is already eating! Here's to a full and speedy recovery.
     
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  31. Olive & Paula

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    Glad to hear Jojo is recovering. My, after that my house would be in all plastic banned mode.
     
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    Yikes, I just saw this thread. Sending healing vines for a quick and easy recovery for Jojo.
     
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  33. Maggies Mom Debby

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    I'm so glad Jojo's surgery is done and he's on the road to recovery. You're going to have your hands full keeping your plastic addict away from the stuff.
     
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  34. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    So glad to hear surgery went well and Jojo's eating on his own. Menace likes to snuggle into any plastic bag with contents so I always tie them shut if they are going to be sitting anywhere for more than a few minutes because I am afraid of her getting tangled and suffocating. Now I know how lucky I am that's all she does! Sending healing vines and scritches for Jojo!
     
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  35. Andy & Pimp

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    Civvie brother Hustler has a pica for plastic bags as well. Plastic of any sort. He will chew milk rings to bits and eat them. (a favorite toy for every cat i've known) I will have to be more careful with him!
    I give him the rings from gatorade bottles now, he can't chew through them. He plays fetch with them:)

    Loads of speedy recovery vines for Jojo. I'm glad he is eating. Hugs for bean:bighug:
     
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  36. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    So glad he is doing better and on the road to recovery. I can't imagine life without plastic bags ...... you are going to have your hands full for sure. How about lots of plastic bins instead?
     
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    I have a rather large collection of storage boxes; replacing them all with plastic will be expensive.
    I'm thinking of getting some 2nd hand sheets from the VOA and wrapping those over the plastic. It'll be faster and I need this done before he can start gnawing again.
     
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  38. Robin&BB

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    Hi, BJ - So happy to hear that Jojo's surgery went well & that he's recovering nicely! Sending lots of fast-healing vibes your way.:bighug:
     
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    I am so glad the surgery went well and he's recovering.
    Covering the boxes with sheets sounds like a good quick fix idea, but I have this funny image of an exciting, curious and sneaky kitty pushing his head into a space between a slit of open space between the sheets .
    "Ohhhh what's under there?? Let's investigate!". :D
    Must wrap tightly and secure the seams closed!!!
    Sending more healing vines to Jojo. :bighug:
     
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  40. Shankb

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    Sorry to hear of JoJo's troubles but happy to hear he is on the mend. My kitty is also a plastic water. In fact, that's how I snapped the picture in my avatar - Dusty was chewing on the plastic straw.
     
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    I picked up Jojo around 5 pm.
    Before we left, they gave him an injection for pain, plus some Cerenia to encourage him to eat. He does have an esophageal tube so I can give him feedings that way as needed.
    He had a few pieces of Evo dry, and ignored the 50/50 mix of A/D and Friskies Turkey and Giblet.
    He is happily ensconced on my lap, resting.
     
  42. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    So glad you have your furball back home and in your lap! Sounds like he's not going to need the tube for long! He's in good hands and will no doubt have a speedy recovery from his ordeal! :bighug:
     
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  43. Critter Mom

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    Hi BJ,

    Just seen this thread now. I'm sorry to hear that Jojo has been in the wars but I'm delighted to hear he's through the surgery and back home convalescing with his wonderful bean. Wishing you both wonderful snuggles. Great news that Jojo's eating a little under his own steam.

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  44. Olive & Paula

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    Re usable bags are good. Maybe he won't eat them. One day I came home from work and Tux came running to the door he had a plastic bag tangled around him. Anytime he moved it made noise. For 5.5 hours he was like that. All I could think of was he could have suffocated or strangled himself. He was so scared he was trembling. I just picked him up and cuddled him and wouldn't let me put him down for hours. He loves to sleep in the 're usable. So I cut the handles off one for him.

    No more plastic bags allowed up in house. They stay in the garage.
     
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    So happy that Jojo is on the road to recovery.

    We rescued a brother & sister pair 16 years ago that LIVED for plastic grocery bags. We weren't new cat parents, we already had 4 cats, and had never seen an obsession like this.

    I did some research and found that most plastic grocery bags use rendered animal fat as a "slip agent" so they don't stick together. (I don't know that this is true of things like garbage bags). However, my kids were connoisseurs and preferred grocery bags. And we did notice that they licked them first. So I do believe that the fat is what attracted them.

    So grocery bags, and now all plastic bags for safety, have been strictly banned in our house for 16 years now.
     
  46. Carol & Murphy

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    BJ- just saw this - so sorry you and sweet kitty had to go through this - I have never heard of the plastic grocery bag obsession - Chicago has outlawed them - probably at some point they will be banned everywhere (so bad for the environment and now kitties as well)
     
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  47. Tiger(GA) and Ruth

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    Glad JoJo is home safe- hope you are resting comfortably as well!
     
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  48. Critter Mom

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    Hi BJ,

    How's the patient today? And how are you?
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    He didn't eat much, if any, of what I left him overnight.

    He had a few kibble and some freeze dried chicken this morning, plus a 10 mL syringe of the Clinicare and some water to flush the tube.

    As the pain meds wear off, I'm hoping his appetite perks up. If not, when I'm home this evening, I'll do more syringe feeding, every couple hours.

    I also ordered some Forti Flora, as he's on Clavamox, which could result in lack of appetite over time.

    I'm trying to adjust my schedule so I can syringe feed without being pressed for time.
     
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  50. Maggies Mom Debby

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    Sending "Jojo, eat already!" vibes to your house, BJM.
     
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    Prayers for a quick and full recovery!
     
  52. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Come on Jojo! Eat for you Bean!
     
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  53. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    I know the feeding tube is a pain but it's good that you have it in place if he's not eating on his own. The Forti Flora should help - it sure does around here and so does BB food. Hoping he starts getting back his appetite!
     
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    Sending special appy stimulant vibes to Jojo >>>>>>>>

    Be sure to take care of yourself as well as kitty, BJ. :bighug::bighug:


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    Hi Bj wishing a speedy recovery
     
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    Thanks, everyone. I'm still working on shutting down an asthma flare which has been simmering since the beginning of October. My current routine care isn't working well, nor is the intervention I used to follow with a flare. I see the pulmonologist in January and we'll have to discuss new strategies.

    I made it through the Holiday Pops concert at the beginning of the month, but the high notes were not always there and the breath control sucked. Fortunately, in a large chorus, I can sneak breaths and manage. I've several months before we perform again, and hope I'm recovered by then.
     
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  57. Tiger(GA) and Ruth

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    (((BJ)))) As a fellow asthma sufferer, you have my deepest empathy- this winter has been especially irritating for me! Sending the strongest healing vines to you and JoJo!!
     
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    Sorry to hear about the asthma flare, BJ. I hope that the doc will be able to help you.

    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Sending healing vines for you and Jojo:bighug:
     
  60. Robin&BB

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    Me, too! Fingers & toes crossed for quick rebound for both of you, BJ!:bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  61. Squalliesmom

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    So glad to hear Jojo is doing well after surgery! I couldn't check yesterday to see how it had gone because I spent all day getting to and from, and in, the Pulmonology Department at Temple University Hospital, so you have my sympathy with the asthma! But I'm really happy to hear he's okay, and I hope you are, too. :)
     
  62. Bobbie And Bubba

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    So glad that all ended well, BJM. What a ordeal for you and yes, you did not need this extra expense at Holiday time for sure.
     
  63. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Lucy, I hope you are okay???
     
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    Ditto. :bighug:


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    Sending good wishes for a speedy recovery for both you and Jojo! :bighug:
     
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    And we're all hoping you'll be feeling better soon too, Lucy!:bighug:
     
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    Ditto! And what a beautiful picture of Bat-Bat!! So Christmasy!
     
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    Jojo still hasn't really eaten anything by mouth

    I gave him Clinicare this morning after offering his regular cat food and some re-warmed cooked salmon and getting no response.

    When I came home this evening, it was all still there. I'm about to head out and shop for Fancy Feast, Stella and Chewey's, baby food, etc. to see if I can find something he'll eat.

    And I'll pick up some Pepcid, just in case acid stomach is an issue, too.

    I did leave a message for the vet, and haven't heard back today.
     
  69. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Ah, I am so sorry that he is not wanting to eat. Hopefully the arsenal of foods and the pepsid you get will turn his appy around. hugs and healing vines to Jojo :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Poor Jojo ... :(

    Thank goodness the feeding tube is in. I hope his appetite picks up for you very soon, BJ. I also hope you're bearing up OK.

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    Thanks, Robin, I'm actually doing pretty well at the moment, I was at Temple to see if I am a candidate for a study regarding an experimental surgery. Long day! :)
     
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    Thanks! I was at Temple to see if I qualify for an experimental surgery (fingers crossed!). It was a very long day! :)
     
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  73. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I hope it works out for you Lucy. Please know that I am sending healing vines and vibes to you too! Tell Candy to stop her shenanigans and that only good numbers from Squallie. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  74. Critter Mom

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    Fingers and paws crossed in the Shire for you, Lucy. :bighug:
     
  75. Squalliesmom

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    Sorry to hear Jojo doesn't want to eat, I really hope he gets his appetite back soon. I know you must be so worried about him! Sending lots of hugs and healing vines for Jojo and you, too. :bighug:
     
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    He has eaten about 5 small bites of Fancy Feast Turkey Florentine.
    At this poing, eating anything is a win, high carb or no. He's not diabetic and not currently on prednisone for his asthma, so he should be OK with it.
     
  77. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Yeah! Success! What ever it takes right now to get him back on the feed. I bet you are feeling some relief. :)
     
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    He's now eaten a few pieces of fresh Evo Cat And Kitten Turkey and Giblet dry, too.

    His stomach may have shrunk a bit with the surgery, plus be tender if stretched too much.
     
  79. Squalliesmom

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    Awesome! That's great! And you're probably right about his stomach, on both counts.
     
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  80. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I can see 6-7 cans of food opened on the counter in hopes of one that strikes Jojo's fancy.
     
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    Almost - I bought about 12 different 3 ounce cans of assorted flavors, mostly with gravy, so I could try a bunch if any didn't suit him.

    He's in snuggle mode too, since he's more isolated in the basement. There are the 2 semi-feral girls, Bits and Smudge, in the large 16'*4.5' by ceiling height kennel, but I doubt he's been up for interacting much.
     
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  82. Robin&BB

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    So relieved to hear that JoJo ate some for you, BJ! Fingers crossed for more appetite tomorrow, too.:) (Poor little guy's been through a lot! One more reason for us to dislike plastic bags ...)
     
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    Very pleased to hear that Jojo's eaten a little bit for you, BJ.

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    A few more bites and some cuddles before bed, plus the Clavamox. Good thing he likes Pill pockets!
     
  85. Squalliesmom

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    How is Jojo this morning? I hope he ate a little breakfast! :)
     
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  86. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    So glad he is starting to eat a little....maybe a little more each day. Is he on pain meds? That always seems to mess with their appetite.
     
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    I'm just getting up and will check on him shortly. It has been about 10 hours since last night's observed eating. Fingers crossed he finished his plate.

    He did eat a little more overnight, but not much. I made him a fresh plate of food, plus gave him some Clinicare and his Clavamox.

    I also observed him successfully eliminating, so that seems to be going OK (no pun intended ;-) )
     
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  88. Critter Mom

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    Woot for the poop! :)
     
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  89. SpecklesandMe

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    Sending more healing vines!
     
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  90. Squalliesmom

    Squalliesmom Well-Known Member

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    Poop is good, especially after abdominal surgery! :)
     
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  91. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Good to hear things are moving in the right direction! :D
     
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  92. BJM

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    He's back to not really eating. Did more Clinicare via the e-tube this morning. Observed some lip smacking, so his stomach may not be happy with the Clavamox, along with still being tender. Or I gave too much at one time. Or his stomach is too acid. I did pick up some Pepcid, so I can start by adding that to the slurry this afternoon.

    I've another 10 cans of different foods to try, so I'll just keep trying.
     
  93. MrWorfMen's Mom

    MrWorfMen's Mom Well-Known Member

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    Oh Man! It's times like this you really wish they could tell us what they're feeling so you could stop guessing and just fix the problem! Sending more healing vines! :bighug: to you both!
     
  94. Robin&BB

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    Aww, poor baby!
    You're such a devoted cat-mom, BJ! With your TLC + the healing vibes we're all sending your way straight from our hearts, I'm hoping that JoJo will be feeling much better very soon!:bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  95. Squalliesmom

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    I second what Robin said, you are an awesome kitty Mom! Sending healing vines and "hungry thoughts" to Jojo!
     
  96. Tuxedo Mom

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    If love alone could fix things Jojo would be thriving with all the love and care you are giving. Sending ((HUGS)) for you and big scritches and healing vines for Jojo.

    :bighug: :bighug:
     
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  97. Critter Mom

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    Hi BJ,

    Sorry to hear that Jojo seems to be queasy again. He must be feeling sore, poor mite. ((((Jojo)))) Thank goodness for the feeding tube. Perhaps his tum might be a little bit acidic. I hope the Pepcid AC will help.

    I'd like to echo the comments from other posters above: you are an outstanding kitty momma. :bighug:



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  98. Maggies Mom Debby

    Maggies Mom Debby Well-Known Member

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    Poor Jojo. (And poor BJM!) I hope that Jojo feels better fast.
     
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  99. Likameow

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    That is a fascinating fact. But it explains so much. One of my civvies lives to lick the bags. Luckily he has never eaten then. And I rarely leave them out.

    And I hope JoJo feels better soon. Hugs to you both.
     
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  100. Deb & Wink

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    Sending healing vines and get that appy back vines for Jojo.
     
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