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  1. Tiziana

    Tiziana New Member

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    Hi all I m a new member not sure how to do this, the sugar cat is Patù and we discovered he was diabetic only recently 2 weeks ago. he is now on canin insulin but we should move to Lantus and he is eating Royal canin Diabetic dry and wet. How can I transition to a wet canned food low in cabs? thanks
     
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  2. Nan & Amber (GA)

    Nan & Amber (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Hello and welcome!

    If you haven't already, check out the two yellow stickies from Dr. Lisa Pierson on cat food and feeding. She has a document on Tips for Transitioning Dry Food Addicts to Canned Food in the second sticky, with lots of good ideas. Her food chart gives the info for carbs and calories for hundreds of foods. For a diabetic cat, you should choose foods with less than 10% carbs for everyday feeding.

    VERY IMPORTANT: since you are already giving insulin to Patù, DO NOT do the food transition without home monitoring his blood glucose. Switching to a low-carb diet can lower BG by a hundred points (mg/dL) or more. That means that a "good dose" today might be much too much insulin after the switch to low-carb.

    Where are you located? We can help with tips for both home-testing and food choices, depending on where you are.
     
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  3. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Hi Tiziana!! Glad to see you over here from the Facebook group!! (For those of you coming in later, she's in Italy)

    Here are some Tips on Transitioning for you to read

    It's great that you're going to switch to Lantus! It's a much better insulin for most cats. How much Caninsulin are you currently on?

    One thing to be sure to remember...do the food change slowly. If it's the Royal Canin Glycobalance, the canned is 14% carbs and the dry is a lot higher so you want to be home testing first before starting to change the diet. Some cats even become diet controlled once you switch to a low carb diet (less than 10%)

    When you're ready to switch to Lantus, let us know so we can help you with a good starting dose.
     
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  4. Sienne and Gabby (GA)

    Sienne and Gabby (GA) Senior Member Moderator

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    Welcome to FDMB!

    I'm tagging one of our members who's in Europe (Spain). @Gill & George may be familiar with low carbohydrate foods that are available in the EU.
     
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  5. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    I gave her the link to the food chart for the UK (and most of Europe) in the FB group so she has some idea's on what to look for
     
  6. Tiziana

    Tiziana New Member

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    Hi Amber I m based in Italy so not sure how you can help but I m willing to be helped... if this makes sense :)
    I m having trouble in trying to test BG as Patù is not willing to have his ears pinched...how do yo do it?
    thanks
     
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  7. Tiziana

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    Thanks I will read the notes now, I still have a month worth of canininsulin so I will finish that one and then start wit Lantus.
    he is doing 1.5 or 1.8 canin insulin, not sure it is correct because it's difficult to measure the correct amount from the sirynge.
    thanks
     
  8. Tiziana

    Tiziana New Member

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    yes thanks I can buy many from zooplus or bitiba!
     
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    I read the notes but my cat has no problem in eating can food as before he was mostly on a wet diet and kibble was there as he peased.
    What I d like to know is how to move from Royal canin diabetic kibble to wet food again in concern with his diabetes...
    thanks
     
  10. Nan & Amber (GA)

    Nan & Amber (GA) Well-Known Member

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    The two most important things:

    -- establish a routine. Set up a "testing area" of the house where it all happens, and get him used to it gradually. Start by just calling him over and petting him, letting him go. Then call him over and play with his ears a little, once he is used to that, then try poking. Try to stay calm-- if you are stressed, he will be too! Some people find that singing (even if, or especially if, you can't sing!) helps calm everybody down.

    -- treats treats treats! Give him a treat he really loves, every time. Even if you didn't get a successful test, or even try. Soon he will associate the testing spot and the materials with the treat, and come running! I don't think they ever love the pokes, but they are very quick to learn that, if they sit still for a poke, they get something good!

    When you do the poke itself, try to go in at an angle, so you don't just poke straight through. You are aiming for the edge of the ear, not on a vein. Here's a picture of the "sweet spot" you want to aim for:

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    Lots more information here: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/hometesting-links-and-tips.287/
     
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    Nan & Amber (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Oh! One more important thing: always apply pressure on the poke site after you have gotten the blood (use a piece of tissue or cotton round). It not only helps stop the bleeding quickly, it helps to prevent bruising. You can also apply a little antibiotic ointment to help healing.
     
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    Diane Tyler's Mom Well-Known Member

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    You can get neosporin plus pain relief ointment, make sure its the ointment and NOT the cream
     
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  13. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    If you're already giving insulin, do it slowly. The reduction of carbs in the diet can make a big difference in the blood glucose numbers.

    Maybe give a little canned first with just a little kibble to go with it and gradually reduce the amount of kibble. Test often! Some cats are more carb sensitive than others
     
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  14. Tiziana

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  15. Tiziana

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    Thank You
    will try to desensitize
     
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  16. Nan & Amber (GA)

    Nan & Amber (GA) Well-Known Member

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    How is Patù?
     
  17. Tiziana

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    sorry I wasnt much on the internet lately..we are a bit confused we spoke to several vets and they say he may need to do further exams and investigations also about thyroid as from the blood test it seems there may be other issues apart from diabetis.
    Still we cant manage to do home testing, the other day we took him to the vet to have the test done and he had 29 of glicemia which is very low and near a collapse. The vet administered sugar and water through the mouth... yesterday he was very still so I didnt do the insulin as the vet told me not to do it if I saw him very still or not responding.... today he was better and we did one unit of insulin but honestly I m not sure whether it would be best to take him to a vet clinic and have him checked completely 100% or else... it's a very difficult situation also because financially I m not in a good position right now and we already spent more than 400 euro or pounds if you like, dont know what to say...
     
  18. Ann & Scatcats

    Ann & Scatcats Well-Known Member

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    Ciao Tiziana! Come stai?
    Io es Ann e Svedese.

    We have another Italian with her diabetic cat here too.
     
  19. Nan & Amber (GA)

    Nan & Amber (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that is absolutely terrifying! I hope he has recovered since then.

    What kinds of problems are you having with the home testing right now? Maybe someone will have more ideas to help. I do think that home testing will help you a lot, both saving money and making sure that Patu is getting the right amount of insulin. With the food change, I am worried that he went so low at the vet-- it sounds like he may need a lot less insulin than he is getting. It's really hard to judge that just from outward signs (although that of course is better than just shooting no matter what!).
     
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