Issues with regulating and illness

Discussion in 'Prozinc / PZI' started by Lisa A, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Lisa A

    Lisa A New Member

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    both my cats have had diabetes for almost 4 years and this past week they both stopped eating - I have run blood tests, urine tests and xrays and we can to figure out what it is ... on top of that when I check their glucose they are either very high or low ....not sure what to do ...since it is both cats I thought maybe viral but it has been 7 days now ... they are both typically on 3 units of Prozinc
     
  2. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

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    Hi Lisa. Do you have spreadsheets you can share with us so we can take a look?
     
  3. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

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    And in the blood work, have they checked for both ketones and pancreatitis?
     
  4. Lisa A

    Lisa A New Member

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    Sammy & Louie glucose

    12/22
    Sammy - 3 mg - 9:30 am - Glucose 86
    Sammy - 12 pm - Glucose 101
    Sammy - 5 pm - Glucose 346 - gave 3 mg insulin
    Louie - 5 pm - Glucose 604 - gave 3 mg insulin

    12/23
    Sammy - 5 am - Glucose 376 - gave 3 mg insulin
    Sammy - 12 pm - Glucose
    427

    12/24
    Sammy - 5 am - Glucose 284 - gave 2-3/4 units
    Sammy - 11 am - Glucose
    318
    Sammy - 5 pm - Glucose 402 - gave 2-3/4

    12/25
    Sammy - 4 pm Glucose - 170 - no insulin
    Louie - 4 pm Glucose - 275 gave 2-1/2 insulin

    12/26 - Louie and Sammy -

    Sammy -NO insulin At 5 am 7:30 am at vet - 430
    Give 3 units at 8 am

    Louie - NO insulin at 5 am
    730 am at vet -
    570
    Give 3 units at 8 am

    Louis - 7 pm 626 Glucose gave 4 units
    Sammy 7 pm 417 Glucose have 3 units

    12/27
    Sammy - 6 am - 502 Glucose gave 3 units
    Louie - 6 am - could not get level but gave 3 units

    Sammy - 530 pm - 329 gave 3 units
    Louie - 530 pm - 510
    Gave 4 units

    12/28
    Sammy - 5 am - 371
    Gave 3 units

    Lou- 5 am - 466
    Gave 4 units

    Sammy - 5 pm - 357
    Gave 3 Units

    Louie - 5 pm - 85
    Gave no insulin

    12/29
    Sammy - 730 am - 566 - gave 3 units insulin
    Curve at Vet-

    10 am - 589
    Noon - 376
    230 pm- 344
    700 pm - 438
    Gave 3 units at 7 pm


    Louie 730 am - 532 gave 3 units insulin
    Curve at Vet
    10 am - 607
    Noon - 457
    230 pm - 312
    700 pm - 486
    Gave 3 units at 7 pm

    12/30
    Sammy - 545 am - 612 - gave 3 units
    Noon - 413
    5 pm - 407 - gave 3 units

    Louie - 545 am - 238 - gave 1 unit
    Noon - 370
    5 pm - 602 - gave 2.5 units

    12/31

    Sammy 545 am - ate food - 396 - gave 3 units
    12:30 pm - 449
    5 pm - 419 - gave 3 units


    Louie - 545 am - ate food -
    496 - gave 3 units
    12:30 pm - 403
    5 pm - 268 - gave 2.5 units


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    Sammy - 5:30 am -

    Lou - 5:30 am -
     
  5. Lisa A

    Lisa A New Member

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    And yep checked ketones
     
  6. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

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    Oh Lisa, I'm so sorry you typed all of that out! What we really need is to see the patterns to make sense of the times when the different numbers occurred. A list like this doesn't really provide that. Here is a link to the spreadsheet: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/

    Here are my hunches:
    1. Since it hit both cats at the same time, could be viral, or could be a bad batch of food (what are they eating for meals? what are they eating for snacks/treats?)
    2. Pancreatitis - often accompanies diabetes in cats and causes them to stop eating. Could just be a coincidence that it hit them both around the same time.
    3. Thank goodness we can cross ketones off the list
    4. Dosing issue
    5. They both decided they just don't like their food anymore.

    So here are some questions when you're done with the spreadsheets:
    1. again, what are they eating, and how long have they been eating it?
    2. are they willing to eat treats?
    3. are they eating anything? or are they completely off of their food?
    4. have you tried syringe feeding, or did the vet recommend it?
    5. have you tried any flavor enhancers? (tuna water, fortiflora, brewer's yeast, freeze dried treat/toppers, etc.)
    6. any vomiting or diarrhea?
    7. what is their activity level? is it typical to their normal behavior?
    8. are they grooming? pooping? peeing? purring?
     

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