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Kitty Quit Grooming

Discussion in 'Feline Health - (The Main Forum)' started by fluffles5178, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. fluffles5178

    fluffles5178 New Member

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    Hello,
    Fluff was diagnosed in June and he has completely stopped grooming. I guess I’m just wondering if this is something that will return once his numbers are better? Thank you
     
  2. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

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    Hi Fluff's parent, welcome to FDMB. Perhaps Fluff just doesn't feel very well yet, but if you are working on getting better BG numbers hopefully this will turn around.

    Maybe we can help with that too and if you would tell us what the treatment so far has been, we can offer some suggestions. It would be helpful if you would create a signature that provides his info that will display with each of your posts.

    Setting up your signature (light grey text under a post). Here's how:
    click on your name in the upper right corner of this page
    click on "signature" in the menu that drops down
    type the following in the box that opens: kitty's name/age/date of diabetes diagnosis/insulin you're using and dosage amount /glucose meter you're using/what (s)he eats/any other meds or health issues (s)he has. You can add your name, and a geographic location (sometimes the country/time zone matters) Be sure to SAVE when you are finished.

    Diet may also be a big component here and when we find out what he's eating and how much, we might be able to offer some suggestions on that score.

    Are you testing Fluff's blood sugar at home? It's the best way to see how the insulin is working for your sugar cat and is invaluable information if you would like experienced members' input about current dosing and how they see it working.
    We use a spreadsheet here on the board to record that data and the insulin dosing data also, you can take a look at other member's spreadsheets to get an idea of what that looks like. Idjit's ss is pretty sparse, as he is in remission and we don't have to test every day or multiple tests per day, so it's not a great example for you right now. Just look at some other threads and select the spreadsheet link in the signature at the bottom of the post.
     
  3. fluffles5178

    fluffles5178 New Member

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    Thank you!!
     
  4. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

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    You are very welcome Mel. I love the avatar, what a beautiful kitty face! That signature information is very helpful and he's on a low carb diet, and that's great.

    Has Fluff been on the 2.5 Units of Prozinc since diagnosis, or have there been increases or decreases? We have a support group just for Prozinc users that you may be interested in reading. http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/forums/prozinc-pzi.24/

    When I first discovered this board, Idjit was just diagnosed and I was really upset, lost and confused. He was on a different insulin and when I began reading through the information here, I found that the instructions from the vet weren't what was recommended here, and I began asking about it. Turns out my vet was not well educated in Feline Diabetes and I was really not helping Idjit as much as I could have been. Somehow with the diet change and a very short period of insulin therapy, Idjit went into remission, very much in spite of me floundering around still depending on vet advice and not following experienced board members advice. I was administering the insulin wrong, I wasn't testing like I should have been, and Idjit began to go into hypoglycemia. I just happened to test at the right time, and members here walked me through intervention, averting any critical results. I tell ya, that was the game changer for me! Since then, I have tried to learn as much as I can, and have read so many threads and posts, again trying to learn. I still don't know enough yet, that's a work in progress, but I do know I can depend on the information and advice found here.

    With that in mind, I suggest you look into home testing Fluff's blood sugar, setting up the spreadsheet and recording data so you can see if the insulin dose you are currently using is a good dose or needs to be adjusted.

    We can help with recommendations for home testing supplies, provide videos and tips for learning to test and support you while you and Fluff learn the process.

    I just find it concerning that Fluff has been on insulin for two months, and now has lost interest in self grooming. I can't tell you the reason, but there may be clues you will find with testing and checking the insulin dose performance.

    I would be happy to provide you with links to the spreadsheet as well as home testing. Tell us how we can help you help Fluff.
     
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  5. fluffles5178

    fluffles5178 New Member

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    Thank you so much! He was on 1 unit twice daily at diagnosis, then upped to 2 units twice daily when he had his follow up (BG has gone from 800 to 700.) Now she wants to do 4 units twice daily, and I just thought that seemed like a lot, so we’ve been doing 2 1/2 for two weeks now. Neuropathy is getting a little better with the Zobaline once a day.
     
  6. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

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    @fluffles5178 Mel sorry for the late response, I don't seem to be getting notifications of replies to threads I have posted on or I missed it because it was so early in my morning. You didn't mention if you are testing his blood sugar at home, or if these results are from individual tests at the vet. You can test Fluff at home and know what the BG is "real time", preventing elevated BG from vet and travel stress.

    We can help you with suggestions for testing supplies and how to learn to test. It's the best way to keep Fluff safe, and to help find the best dose and get those high BG numbers under better control.

    You were quite right in not increasing the dose by that much, we recommend small increments of 0.25 U at a time, just so you don't pass by the best dose. Most vets see that one number and up the dose..and sometimes too much insulin can seem like not enough..it's a vicious cycle. Here's what may be happening, "bouncing":

    A bounce happens when numbers drop quickly, drop a lot (like from 454 to 91) or drop low. Your cat's liver and pancreas
    react to the change in numbers by dumping a stored form of glucose along with counter regulatory hormones
    into the bloodstream. These cause numbers to spike upward.

    The vets sees only the one number at that visit and bases the insulin dose on that, it's not enough data to make that recommendation. I have read so many posts with this story, it seems that most vets are just not well educated in feline diabetes. It's great that they can diagnose and prescribe, but effective treatment seems to be lacking, from proper low carb diet to even suggesting home testing, not to mention those big insulin dose increases.

    Human diabetics are sent to classes on proper nutrition for the condition, and taught to test their blood sugar to track and try to avoid very high or low blood sugar levels. Same things apply to our cats.

    Depending on where you live we can point you in the right direction for a glucometer and strips. I think if you are willing to test Fluff's BG you are going to make some headway in reducing those high BGs and get him feeling better.
     
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  7. Gypsy's Parent

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    I encourage home testing. Cats are stressed at the vet and this can affect blood sugar levels. You can test at home frequenty (every couple of hours) and the experienced people here can help interpret the results and recommend actions. A lot of vets don't have experience managing diabetes and provide incorrect advice. Diabetes in humans and cats is not at all straightforward to deal with. The pancreas reacts in unexpected ways to insulin as in "bouncing".

    Do you have an update on Fluff?
     
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  8. fluffles5178

    fluffles5178 New Member

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    Hello,
    I’m not home testing yet, but I’d like to. There are Walmart’s close by, so I’ve been told the Relion Prime is a good one available here. Thoughts?
     
  9. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the ReliOn Prime and strips at Walmart..very affordable and available. Lancets 26 or 28 gauge to start with, lancing device is a personal choice. I don't use it, I freehand.

    Here is a link to testing videos and tips: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/hometesting-links-and-tips.287/

    Home testing is the very best way to see, real time, if it's safe to inject each time and how the insulin is working. Then in consultation with vet and with experienced members here increasing or decreasing (in very small increments is best so you don't pass by the best dose) as needed.

    Please set up the spreadsheet and link it to your signature so that we can see the insulin and testing data you collect.
    You will see how the trends and patterns emerge, and members can review his/her progress before offering suggestions or advice:
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/understanding-the-spreadsheet-grid.156606/

    You can start a new thread about starting testing to get more members' methods, tips, tricks and support. It's a process of patience and practice. Here is something I just saw that Chris & China (GA) has prepared on the subject and I think you will find it interesting.

    Here's something I wrote up for others for testing...maybe it'll help you too!

    It can be really helpful to establish a routine with testing. Pick one spot that you want your "testing spot" to be (I like the kitchen counter because it's got good light and it's at a good height....it also already blocked 2 escape routes due to the wall and the backsplash) It can be anywhere though...a rug on the floor, a table, a particular spot on the couch...wherever is good for you.

    Take him there as many times a day as you can and just give his ears a quick rub and then he gets a yummy (low carb) treat. Most cats aren't objecting so much with the poking..it's the fooling with their ears they don't like, but once they're desensitized to it and learn to associate a certain place with the treats, they usually start to come when they're called! Or even when they hear us opening the test kit!

    You also have to remember...you're not poking him to hurt him...you're testing him to keep him safe and understand what's going on inside his body. There's just nothing better than truly understanding what's going on inside your kitty's body and with this disease, the more knowledge you have, the more power you have against it. The edges of the ears have very few pain receptors, so it really doesn't hurt them. Also, if you're nervous and tense, it's going to make your kitty nervous and tense too. As silly as it might seem, try singing! It forces you to use a different part of your brain!

    It's also important to make sure his ear is warm. A small sock filled with a little rice and microwaved or a small pill bottle filled with warm water (check temp against your wrist like you would a baby bottle) works well

    For new kitties, using a heavier gauge lancet is also really helpful. A 25-28 gauge lancet pokes a bigger "hole" than a 31-33 gauge lancet does, so look for "Alternate Site testing" lancets that are usually a lower number

    Finding the right "treat" will be a great help too! Freeze dried chicken, bonito flakes, little pieces of baked chicken...whatever low carb treat you can find that he really enjoys will help him to associate the testing with the treat! China's Achilles heel was baked chicken, so I'd bake a piece, chop it into bite sized pieces, put some in the refrigerator and freeze the rest to use as needed. It didn't take long for her to come any time I picked up the meter!
     
  10. fluffles5178

    fluffles5178 New Member

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    This one?

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  11. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's the one. :)
     

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