MEME +3 74, +8 392(help)

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She have treat which made from real chicken and tuna and she did not say no, but no food :arghh:
 
Was she eating OK earlier today? It sounds like she might have a little bit of nausea (hungry, but turning away from food). Sometimes if it's not too bad, raising the food and water bowls by a few inches (so they don't have to bend down to eat) will help.
 
We don't want to skip the shot with her being so high, but don't shoot until you are confident that she will (eventually) eat a decent amount of food. She doesn't have to have a full meal before the shot (Lantus takes a couple hours before it onsets, so you have some time), you just have to be sure she will get some food on-board.

Yay! just got the post about her eating. You're in business!
 
No last time when she feel nausea she wants to eat but can not only smell the food even when i offered treat or dry. But now seems not interesting at all maybe because of the througing. Her appetite was fine this morning till she through up.
 
She finished her plate.

This nausea was not good last time how can i deal with it without taking her to the vet? Anything at home i can do??
 
Ondansteron typically works wonders - but it is a human drug and you need a prescription
cerenia can also help but it too needs a prescription
@Bobbie And Bubba has been trying some holistic solutions to nausea - slippery elm bark and aloe - lets see what she says
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Ondansteron typically works wonders - but it is a human drug and you need a prescription
cerenia can also help but it too needs a prescription
@Bobbie And Bubba has been trying some holistic solutions to nausea - slippery elm bark and aloe - lets see what she says
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I see if i can get it with no prescription, maybe only in US needs prescription. If i got it how can i use it??
 
Where are you located?
For Murphy, for ondansteron, I give him 1/4 or 1/2 of a 4 mg tablet twice or three times a day It usually starts to work within 30 minutes
Cerenia is a veterinary drug - you'd have to get from a vet
 
here's a link on tips to get kitty eating
sometimes cats get nauseated when their stomach is completely empty - good to give small amount of food frequently
 
I live in Bahrain, pharmacy her is not as strict as US or Europe.

Or will talk to vet for some drug. Nausia make her feel dehydration so vet needs to put IV for her last time. She is not drinking much water scince she has low number. I am worried or i used to see her drinking too much and feel the difference now.
 
It's perfectly normal for them to drink less once they get into better numbers :) !

You can check for dehydration by gently pulling up the skin at the scruff of the neck and letting it go. If it takes a while to go back to normal, then she might be a bit dehydrated. But, again-- non-diabetic cats have a pretty low thirst drive and generally don't drink all that much. It's a real change from a diabetic cat, though!
 
If worried about dehydration, you can always add water to the food to make it a bit soupy.

Nan & Amber said:
But, again-- non-diabetic cats have a pretty low thirst drive and generally don't drink all that much. It's a real change from a diabetic cat, though!
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Sorry to hijack the thread. Just curious. Is your cat an indoor cat or an outdoor cat? Would the intense heat in Bahrain be a factor? Bahrainian friends tell me that it is almost always HOT.
 
+3 74

Is that normal , i thought it will be at least in 200 or 100 after high pmps, that is scary
 
Hmm... that's so close to the 68 cutoff. I think I'd add a couple drops of honey to her snack. Don't feed too much right now, we're probably going to have to do a little steering for a while.

When she ate earlier, was it her full meal or did she just eat a little?
 
She ate before the shoot and just now before i tested her and now i gave her some dry food, and will give honey
 
OK, good-- just make sure you don't feed too much all at once, you may want her to eat again soon.

Test again 30mins after the high-carb food-- we want to keep a close eye on her to make sure she stays in the "good" zone.
 
Meme's insulin needs may just be decreasing-- this is a good thing! You're doing nothing wrong, in fact you're doing a fantastic job-- by testing, you are able to see this happening and keep her safe. Imagine if you weren't testing and were still giving 2 units!
 
Ok think need to start over with 0.5 or 0.25


But what i mean why a cat drop so fast from 400 to 70, she never did that before??

Just after bringing her from clinic and giving insulin again faced that problem
 
Didn't you say that she had a urinary infection and got some antibiotics for it? That also might be a factor-- UTIs (or any infection/discomfort) can cause BG values to be inflated, so once she's feeling better the BG values drop. The really big drop today may be because she was "bouncing" from the earlier lows and the bounce ended-- sometimes when a bounce ending overlaps with insulin action, you can get fast movement down. Luckily, you have all the tools you need to keep her safe!
 
I asked the vet what kind of infection and he said it is something minor and could happen any time but that was at beginning of this month. I told him is it something i should worry about and he said no.

Last time her result comes clean.

So shall i continue with 0.75
 
Good. Test again in 30.

And with that 65, I'd definitely recommend reducing down to 0.5U tomorrow. It's very close to the previous reduction, but you can always increase back up if it doesn't "take". Otherwise, Meme isn't going to let you ever get another good night's sleep-- she's really making her point clear here!
 
I was not about to test her until +6 because of the high pmps, thanks god that i changed my mind.

Will start with 0.5 morning and see what is happining.
 
I read somewhere that some people shoot every 10 hours to be sure that insulin is not fading out. Is it possible to do that??
 
rawia said:
I read somewhere that some people shoot every 10 hours to be sure that insulin is not fading out. Is it possible to do that??
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It's possible, yes, but I don't think anyone around here does it. My personal opinion on schedules like that is that they're even harder on the caregiver than the every-12hr schedules, especially if you are doing a reasonable amount of BG monitoring too. I'm not sure if there's a strong enough reason to do it with longer-lasting depot insulins like Lantus/Levemir-- maybe with some of the fast-acting in-and-out insulins like Vetsulin, where you can really see the insulin fading out midway through the cycle.
 
rawia said:
I read somewhere that some people shoot every 10 hours to be sure that insulin is not fading out. Is it possible to do that??
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Lantus is a depot insulin. Sometimes it may not look like it, but part of the Lantus continues on into the next cycle. By dosing at the 10 hour mark, you run the risk of the depot building and building and you can put your cat into hypo. Lantus works best with consistency regarding timing.

You may see a big bounce in the morning from how quickly and how much he dropped tonight. Ignore it. With Lantus, you go by the lowest number of the cycle, not the high bounce. If in doubt, post asking for dosing advice before giving the shot. If you can get a PM +11, that would help.
 
Great!

Now that she's moving up, let's see if she can hold these numbers on her own without food.

It's still pretty early in the cycle, but if you're lucky and you can get a few higher numbers in a row (without food influence), you will be able to get some sleep...
 
Where are we in the cycle now? Close to +5 or so? Am I right in remembering that she usually gets a meal at +4, and if so, did she get a meal today or was it just the steering snacks?

Next test should be coming up soon, crossing fingers she's still moving up or at least holding steady...
 
Do we have another number yet? I need to go offline for a while, but I want to make sure things are in good shape here first....
 
Just testing BG 188, too high . Big jump in one hour.

No food just her food and honey at +3
 
Looks like a bounce!

OK, at this point, I think you can just go back to feeding her her normal meals. Something low-carb would be good. Maybe grab another test before bed (it must be really late already where you are!), just to be sure she's really bouncing, but it looks now as if you'll be able to get some sleep tonight!
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Ondansteron typically works wonders - but it is a human drug and you need a prescription
cerenia can also help but it too needs a prescription
@Bobbie And Bubba has been trying some holistic solutions to nausea - slippery elm bark and aloe - lets see what she says
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Here's what FoodfurLife peeps told me. Take 1/2 tsp. of George's Aloe Vera Juice ( it is fractionally distilled) and 1/4 tsp of Slippery Elm Bark and mix together. It will thicken up and then you can roll it into a ball. IF, you can get it into your kitty that way, you would just place the ball of mixture on the roof of the mouth. I could NOT do it with Bubba and still have fingers to be able to type this right now, so I just took the same measurements and added it to his food and he ate it up.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Here's what FoodfurLife peeps told me. Take 1/2 tsp. of George's Aloe Vera Juice ( it is fractionally distilled) and 1/4 tsp of Slippery Elm Bark and mix together. It will thicken up and then you can roll it into a ball. IF, you can get it into your kitty that way, you would just place the ball of mixture on the roof of the mouth. I could NOT do it with Bubba and still have fingers to be able to type this right now, so I just took the same measurements and added it to his food and he ate it up.
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Looks like my cat will never like it :D, thank you will try, do mot know if we have these product here but i will try to get something like it.
 
Nan & Amber said:
Looks like a bounce!

OK, at this point, I think you can just go back to feeding her her normal meals. Something low-carb would be good. Maybe grab another test before bed (it must be really late already where you are!), just to be sure she's really bouncing, but it looks now as if you'll be able to get some sleep tonight!
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Is bouncing good or bad!!

You mean she might drop down again.
 
Bouncing is good if it lets you relax and take a little break! Though yes, of course, you prefer her to not be in high numbers, but for some kitties, that's just the way it is-- they bounce until they get used to the low numbers and are ready to stop bouncing. It is just one of those things-- the main priority is safety, trying to keep her out of the really low numbers. The bouncing is annoying, but not dangerous.

And yes, what goes up must come down, but if this is a bounce, it likely won't drop back immediately (they vary a lot, but they can last up to three days :eek:). It is also possible that there's still some food-influence now so it's good you'll be keeping an eye on her until you're sure she's clear.

Well done!
 
Ok thank you.

I will make one more test and go to sleep then i will wake up for +11 test but i think as you suggested that .5 U at next shot will be more safety!!
 
Still 4 hours till next shot, i am scared that the number will rise more and more.

And have no clue what the next dose should be!!
 
Your next dose is the reduction to 0.5U. Lantus is dosed based on how low the BG numbers go during the day, not how high. What we want is a consistent dose that will take her into dark greens, without dipping down into the light greens that she has been visiting. She's going so high now because she went so low today, so we definitely don't want to give her more insulin.

This is one of the most confusing things about what we call "the sugar dance". It is tempting to want to respond immediately to those high numbers, but that will just set up more wild swings back and forth. Better to go down to 0.5U, and see how that does for a few doses.
 
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