Pita's Dosing Party: 13

Discussion in 'Prozinc / PZI' started by Caitlin M, Apr 25, 2018.

  1. Caitlin M

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    I don't know where they're coming from or why, but we are having some wonky numbers! I may be crazy but I'm feeling like he may need a reduction. Or maybe it's because the last NS I had, he had a much lower PS next time. Thoughts?
     
  2. Djamila

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    Caitlin, I'm so sorry no one was around yesterday!!! Looks like his insulin needs might be shifting back up again. Especially seeing his reaction to the reduction today. It was certainly worth a try though! He does seem to cycle up and down on the dose from time to time, so maybe he's just heading up again for a bit.
     
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    No apologies needed! I agree. We went to 1.8 units tonight and I'll plan to stick to that tomorrow as well.
     
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    Caitlin, what happened to your spreadsheet??? Do you need some help getting it fixed? If you tag Marje I think she can fix it for you.

    I'm sorry Pita's on the rise again. Does he have any symptoms of pancreatitis? It's so curious the way he seems to cycle up and down sometimes. Sam does that when he's having a p-titis attack, so it made me wonder.
     
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    I believe Matt just fixed it, so we should be all set with the Spreadsheet! Thanks. I looked up p-titis symptoms and aside from testing for it, he doesn't have any noticeable symptoms. He always sleeps/lounges a lot during the day, hasn't vomited in forever/I don't even remember the last time aside from car sickness and he always eats. I suppose it's not out of the question but I don't see anything from it. :bookworm: I wonder if there's something else as well besides the teeth but literally nothing has changed in his behavior or mannerisms.
     
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    It's hard to know. I know he had a pretty full workup before you moved, right?
     
  7. Djamila

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    It's probably not worth testing for if he isn't showing any symptoms. Sam's first attack he didn't have the vomiting and was still eating, but it was so so obvious that something was wrong with him. Since Pita seems fine to you, it's probably not that. He has been doing this up and down for most of his FD journey, so it might just be the way he is. Maybe he just likes the attention. ;):)
     
  8. Caitlin M

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    Hello all! Life has been busy and filled with ups and downs lately. Everyone is doing well overall though! Just need some advice regarding dose for the Pita bear. He's been having blue PS numbers again and we hit a green yesterday! I think I should increase again tonight or tomorrow to see if we can get PS numbers to the lower 100's but obviously want some feedback. Thanks all!
     
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    Hmmm...I'm torn on this one Caitlin! That 54 is about as low as you'd ever want to get...and I know he's been sitting in blues since then but I'm wondering if that isn't some light bouncing. You know, not going high, but staying in flat blues due to that unexpected green. I think, if he was mine, I'd wait it out for another cycle or two before deciding on an increase. See if he trends down a bit first and then you can decide if it was a light bounce or if that green was likely an aberration. Just my thoughts, though!
     
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    That all makes perfect sense and unless there's a hugely contradicting opinion I like that idea. Thanks Rachel! :)
     
  11. Kris & Teasel

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    I like Rachel's advice. :)
     
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    I like Rachel's advice too.
     
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  13. Caitlin M

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    Not sure what to do. Couldn't get a test from him this am. I tried the first time and he moved over to the corner so I waited 20 minutes and he did the same thing. Fed them and he ate normally! He also decided he wanted to play so for about five minutes we played with a shoelace. Got a +3.5 and he was in the 200's, but I obviously have no idea where he was previously. I will absolutely get the PMPS tonight but I'm not sure if I should raise his dose. I'll try testing him at 7:30pm Pacific Time- will anyone be available then in case I need help?
     
  14. Rachel

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    I'm sorry, Caitlin, I won't be! I'm heading out for a few days tomorrow morning and I'll be fast asleep (I hope) at that point. Djamila might be...

    Sounds like Pita was being a bit of a brat this morning! Not a bad thing...could be he's feeling well so he's being bratty. :) I'm going to take a guess that he was at some sort of yellow this morning. You've got lots of data on Pita, so you can assume to an extent.

    It's hard to know what's going on with Pita these days. You could raise tonight if he's in yellows and then just monitor and be ready to steer if needed. Not saying it WILL be, but I'm just not sure since he sometimes throws those greens!
     
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    Ugh. I'm sorry, Caitlin. Both that Pita was living up to his name, and that no one was here for your shot time! Did you NS this morning because you couldn't get a test? Or was there something else going on? I agree with Rachel that you and Pita has been doing this dance long enough, and he's stable enough, that on the very very rare occasion when that happens, I think you can assume - especially if you'll be around to keep an eye on him.

    I'm glad to hear he wanted some play time today, despite being difficult for the AMPS.

    3.2u was his breakthrough dose last time, so hopefully he'll start to turn it around for you soon!
     
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    70 AMPS today! Umm, do we go half of what we dosed last night and give 1.6?! Want to shoot by 8:30
     
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    Decided that splitting in half hasn't seemed to work quite well in the past, so I gave 2/3 of last night's dose- 2 units. I'll be home by 10:30 and will monitor before heading back to work later this evening.
     
  18. Caitlin M

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    Well, I feel so jumbled with his numbers! After the 70 AMPS yesterday, we had a 265 PMPS. Again, I didn't want to jump back up to the full 3.2 units so I dosed 2.6 and had a 170 @ +4. This AMPS was 258 so I decided to go back to the 3.2 and will monitor throughout the day. :confused:
     
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    Caitlin, you're doing such an amazing job! The way you handled that 70 couldn't have been better. That cycle turned out perfectly. And the increase to 3.2u looks like it was just the right thing for today. You may be feeling jumbled, but your instincts are fantastic!

    I am really curious about that 70 AMPS. That seems so strange. I wonder if there's any chance it was a bad test strip - although I guess if that were true, the reduced dose would have sent him into higher numbers instead of keeping him so steady.

    Anyway, just popping in to give you some encouragement. You're doing the best that can be done with the numbers he's showing you!
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Exciting day! So I upped to 3.4 units this morning and we just got a 41 @ +6.25. Fed him some gravy food and will retest soon. Because the lime green, I know we should reduce but I'm not sure if we should just stick with 3.2 units or go 3.3 and see what that gives. Advice please!
     
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    55 @ +7
     
  22. Djamila

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    Normally I'd say go with the smaller reduction since Pita's been at this for so long, but 41 is pretty low, and the 55 wasn't that much of a jump after getting carbs, and your 3.2u numbers actually looked pretty good. I think I'd be tempted to go with the 3.2u and see what happens.
     
  23. Caitlin M

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    Thanks Djamila! It occurred to me after the 41, that there probably wasn't any reason to increase. He'd had primarily blue PS and was getting green midday numbers on the 3.2!
     
  24. Caitlin M

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    Is anyone awake? 82 PMPS. Thinking I should probably do what I did the other day and maybe give 2.1 units for tonight?
     
  25. Djamila

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    Awake, but wasn't logged in an hour ago when you posted. Looks like you made a good call. Of course try to grab a test tonight to make sure he stays okay with it.

    DISCLAIMER: to anyone who is reading this: normally shooting Prozinc on a green number is not recommended. Caitlin has lots of data to show that Pita can handle it, and in fact does quite well getting insulin on lower numbers.
     
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    Thanks again Djamila!
     
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    Sorry I wasn't here when you wanted input though! How is Pita doing overall these days?
     
  28. Caitlin M

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    No apology necessary! He's doing very well. The usual, eat, sleep, demand to go outside! Very lovey as usual also. I'm getting a humidifier this weekend because they both have some dry skin and it's also good for the plants. Good reminder because we live in a much drier climate!
     
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  29. Djamila

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    You can have some of our humidity up here! It's been suffocating this week. I don't know how folks in the South survive the summer with both heat and humidity. Adding some fish oil to their food will help with the dry skin. Plus they think it's yummy. Glad he's feeling well!
     
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    I'll definitely try the fish oil, thanks! I've also lived in the south with both h and h- that's even worse!

    Last night:
    65 @ +2
    74 @ +5
    I'm hoping he didn't reach any like green in between those tests. We'll see what this am brings!
     
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    155 AMPS, gave 3.2 again and will test during the day. I think so long as he's consistently giving blue PS's I'll just hold at 3.2 units for as long as possible.
     
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    90 AMPS, giving the 2.1 just like the last two green PS's and I'll test a bunch!

    Regarding fish oil- I take salmon oil- anyone know if that's okay also? Also, how much do I put into their food? Do I use the pills or find a liquid?

    Happy Saturday!
     
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    Looks like he's on his way back down. :D

    They sell salmon oil for cats at the pet store near me. Maybe look up one for cats and compare the ingredients with the one you take?

    I just pop the capsule and squeeze the oil onto Atticus' food (he gets dandruff). He seems to think it tastes yummy as he starts purring when I get out the bottle.
     
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    As for that humidity thing...you can have ours! I also don't know how people in the South stand it...and I'm IN the South!!! I just hibernate indoors :p
     
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    Thank you ladies!
     
  36. Yong

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    Hi Caitlin and Pita! :bighug: How's life in CA?
     
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    Overall it's wonderful! Definitely home :joyful:. How are you and Maury?!
     
  38. Caitlin M

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    202 PMPS. Have a guy feelingt to split the difference in the two doses I've been doing, so I'm shooting 2.6 units tonight!
     
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    Gut* feeling, obviously! 174 AMPS so I'm going to stick with the 2.6 today and see where it takes us.
     
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    That's great to hear! Maury is happy and playful =).
     
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    Hello everyone! All is going well here in CA. Picking up the humidifier tomorrow and will be getting a fish oil for their food as well. I will conquer the dry skin! Anywho, we've been holding at 2.8 units for a bit now and I think he may be bouncing ever so slightly with PS's but we're getting some wonderful midday numbers. I may reduce a bit to 2.7 tomorrow and see how that goes for a few days to maybe even out the PS numbers. Let me know any thoughts!
     
  42. Caitlin M

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    Well alrighty. I had my alarm set for +5.5 but got woken up for +5. Pita was at 44 so I fedb1 Tbsp FF Gravy and will be testing again at +5.5 and +6. Holy crap! So obviously a reduction is totally needed- what amount seems smart to you?! Thanks in advance.
     
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    54 @ +5.33 (20 minutes later). Number in comments section of SS as well as +5 notes. I know that number is due to the food, retesting at +5.66/40 minutes after initial +5.
     
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    60 @ +6. Back to bed we go. None of us are happy campers :blackeye:
     
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    Ugh. Sorry to hear about the late night shenanigans! Here, you might need this today: :coffee::coffee::coffee:

    Glad he woke you up though so you could see those numbers. We know Pita doesn't really mind the 40's since he had a few of those all on his own during his insulin honeymoon, but yes, it looks like a little reduction might be good.

    You could try 2.6u, but I think I'd be more inclined to just shave off a little and see how 2.7u goes for him. As always, I'd say go with your gut on it, how much you think he needs to reduce.
     
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    Well at least he woke you for a good reason! I remember Djamila used to say how she'd tell Sam "now wake me up if you go low!"...apparently Pita remembers that too!

    I'm with Djamila. I'd go just a little reduction in hopes that it keeps the lime greens away but gives you still some lovely blues and dark greens.
     
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    Hey! Why is there always a party way down here in Prozinc?
    Is this what happens when you move to L.A.?
    Oh hi Caitlin, Noah says hi to Pita. :smuggrin:
     
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    Nice numbers lately! Just started using the humidifier yesterday and I also brushed each of them for a good five minutes. In going to make sure I do that once a week, along with the humidifier. And just need to Google dosing of salmon oil for them and I'll add to food.

    Just got a 40 @ +5.75 and he's eating some gravy food. Will retest again soon. Looks like another reduction tonight! 2.6 sound reasonable?
     
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    54 @ +6.25 (3:00p). Not too worried about him going much lower in the next hour, so phew!
     
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    Whoa, Pita! Stay out of those limes, okay? I might even go a little skinny on the 2.6. 40 is getting rather low.
     
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    Thank you! Didn't see this in time and Matt gave a normal 2.6

    Just got another 41 @ +4.5 so I'm up and gave him gravy food. Will test again soon and think regardless of AMPS to give 2.4 units tomorrow.
     
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    Definitely time for a reduction. Look at you, Pita!
     
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    Looking good!
     
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    Tried to get a +6 from Pita just now, but he wouldn't let me/moved to the corner. I tried once as he sat there but was unsuccessful. Given that I'm half asleep, I didn't continue. However, I am going to assume there's probably no way he didn't get lower again, since he gave a 58 @ +3.75 before bed. I'll reduce again in the morning to 2.2 units.
     
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    Wow Pita! HE put his foot down on that testing...but yes, it sounds like he suddenly decided he wants less insulin.
     
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    Sam was being a total butt-head about testing last night too. I swear these kitties talk to each other.

    Nice to see Pita heading down the dosing scale again!
     
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    100 AMPS. 2.2 might be too much, but it also may be just right, so we'll steer if need be with midday numbers. Thank you both!
     
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    It's both comforting and hysterical to know how similar they are!
     
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    Those two are best friends on that secret kitty board!
     
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    Had pretty steady, consistent numbers today. I'm at work but Matt will hold the 2.2 dose tonight. Last test he was at 92 so I'm curious to see where he lands for PMPS.
     
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    That 2.2 looked good on him today. You're so brave when it comes to dosing, and I think that is in large part why Pita has done so well. And kudos to Matt for getting so good at testing!
     
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    Aww, thank you Djamila! I don't usually feel brave but I'm trying! Yes he's been a huge help for sure. :D
     
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    Meant to get a +3 test today but wasn't able to. The +5 test was 138 which was slightly higher than AMPS (134). I poked multiple times and barely got enough blood for the strip, so I believe it read higher than it actually was (something I realized happens with not enough blood!). I tested again at +6.5 and he was at a nice 73, so I hope he didn't go too low and I was unaware. At any rate, I'll have Matt give 2.2 again this evening and I'll be able to get a test later tonight.
     
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    I agree with you on that -- I think that 138 is wrong. It doesn't fit with any of Pita's patterns.

    I love all the PM cycle data, but I'm starting to worry that you're not sleeping enough. Are you taking care of yourself? (please read that in your best "mom" voice ;))
     
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    Bahahaha! Omg I needed that laugh. Yes, I swear I'm sleeping. My schedule is different so I'm up later or just wake up to pee myself and test him. I really appreciate you asking though! Very sweet.

    116 PMPS. I have a feeling the 2.2 might be a bit too much but I'll find out tonight (date night/movie so I'll be up late ;))
     
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    164 AMPS. This could be a mistake but I'm going to drop to 2.0 units today. I know he doesn't bounce too much but I'm thinking (hoping) that he's a bit higher because he went lower. So we'll see!
     
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    186 PMPS. The only test I got was +5 today and he was only at 100. Decided to have Matt just go back to 2.2 units. I know I didn't really give the 2.0 units a big try but we'll see how this coming week goes.
     
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    Still no luck in finding that secret kitty forum? :p:cat:
     
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    So far so good today with going back to 2.2 last night.
     
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    Yup, that cycle today is about as textbook perfect as you can get. Fingers crossed he's ready for that reduction in a few more days.
     
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    I'm actually wondering if I should be going back up if his PS's stay higher again. Won't know for a couple days anyway, but that crossed my mind.
     
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    It does look like he could probably take a 2.3 right now, but I agree that giving him another day at 2.2 before you decide would be best since he's been heading downward. He might start showing better number in the next couple of cycles, and if not you can increase a little.
     
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    247 AMPS :( Had Matt just give 2.2 and I'll test today. May just bump to 2.3 tonight.
     
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    Come on Pita, don't poop out on us now!
     
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    Well, shoot. That's not what was supposed to happen.
     
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    142 PMPS. Much better! I did have Matt shoot 2.3 units though so we'll see how that goes for a couple days.
     
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    225 PMPS. 99@ +3.25-planning to get up in a couple hours, but maybe it is too high of a dose? I'll see what I get later. :confused:
     
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    51@+5. Treating it like a lime green and gave 1 tsp gravy food. Also assuming he needs a reduction- wondering if I should go back to 2.2 units or maybe even 2.1 for tomorrow. Reset my alarm for an hour. Fingers crossed I'll wake up.
     
  79. Rachel

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    Wow Pita! I'd be realllll tempted to to 2.2 if I was you...you know how to handle it if he goes too low. Is Matt handling Pita's daytimes? Is he comfortable steering if needed?
     
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    You could go back to 2.2 and see if it's enough this time, or you could stay at 2.3 and see if he does it again (as long as Matt is comfortable steering if he does do it again). My thinking is that you just did 2.2 and it wasn't enough. Also, Sam went a little low last night too, so they are clearly just messing with us again. ;)
     
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    I'll be back from work about an hour after his shot this morning so maybe we will stay at 2.2 for today....Matt always checks with me before doing anything, which is what we're both comfortable with right now! He has steered him for me in the past also, so that's good.
     
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    146 AMPS, shot 2.3
     
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