4/20Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57+6=62+7=70+8=128

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AMPS 276
+3=290
+6=277
PMPS 274
+3=276
+5=267
+6.5=248

Here's hoping Max does better today. He had a restless night. He meowed a lot. Then he wanted food at 4:30 but I just gave him a little freeze dried chicken. I'll try to give him a S2.0 but wonder if he should get a regular 2.0.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316

Good morning, Elise!

I have my paws crossed that the dosecrease (skinny or un-skinny) will work for Max. Don't forget about NDW. I couldn't ever tell if Jersey experienced it because she was so bouncy, but everyone reminded me of it each time we did a dosecrease.

Did you use the calipers this morning? It seems like it might take a little while to get the hang of them. (Of course, I'm not always quick on the uptake, anyway! :lol

Come on, Max, let's lose the stinky pinky and head to the lagoon today!

Have a great day, Elise!
Shelly

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316

Hi Shelly. I just don't know if there will be enough of a difference between a F1.75 and a S2.0 but if there's no improvement in the right amount of time I will just raise it again I guess.

I didn't even take the calipers out of the box. I'll look at them today and then probably need help from Marje on how to use them. I need to practice with them I guess so I am able to use them and not take a lot of time getting the correct dose. That at least will take the difference in syringes and my eyeballing these crazy small doses out of the equation. Thanks for reminding me about NDW as I forgot about that one.

Have a wonderful Easter Sunday if you celebrate and HAPPY DAY TEN, SHELLY.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275

Hi Elise

I'd see how he does today and if he comes back down. If he doesn't, I might just try the 2u again since you test him often. You might find he only needs it for a couple cycles. I have had Gracie get into the 30s/40s on a dose, gave her a reduction, and then when the depot drained, she wasn't doing much so I've taken her back up. It's been several cycles since Max was at 2u so, if you feel comfy with it and he doesn't get into some good numbers today, I'd try it again. You can also wait until tomorrow if you want since you aren't increasing at night in case he comes down.

Just PM me if you need help with the calipers. I'm working in the yard today but I'll be around.

I hope your mom is improving and you get to spend some time with her today.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275+5=189

Thanks, Marje. We hit blue at +5 so I'll test him again in 1.5-2 hours and see where he is at I guess.

My mom is getting stronger but had some shortness of breath while walking yesterday with her PT. She has doctors' appointments with a surgeon about her gouty finger, her cardiologist unless he hand surgeon keeps her waiting too long, and another doctor about her meds. The plan is to go over there after Max's afternoon tests. Thanks. I hope you are having a nice Easter Sunday with your family.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275+5=189

Of course he did because I suggested increasing the dose :lol: :lol: :lol: I still might do it if he doesn't get any lower than this.

I hope you enjoy your time with her. She has really been through the wringer lately. Sending her healing vines.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275+5=189+6=198

Well, Mr. Max is either already heading back up or within the 20%. I think I will test one more time before I leave and if he is up more or the same try 2 units either tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll see how I feel at PMPS and where he is at.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275+5=189+6=198

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+2.5=275+5=189+6=198

I didn't stick around to test Max again this afternoon as I decided I would up his dose tonight either way. Looking at his PMPS and his Nadir I feel that it is the right thing to do.

What is the longest that a vial of lantus is good? Mine is 5 months old. It has been handled with care and has been refrigerated the whole time. I think I was told 5-6 months.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132

I had a hard time posting tonight. I don't know if the site was down or it's my internet. I didn't try to figure out the calipers. I'll tackle that tomorrow. The new dose appears to be working. I suspect we might see some green and please, please, please, not another bounce. His appetite is down tonight. I'm not sure why.

How do you know if neuropathy is an issue? He hasn't jumped on his cat tree in probably 9 months and to get on my bed he does seem to pull himself up with his front paws. What do you do for it?

I hope all of you that celebrate Easter had a nice time with family and/or friends. I'll test again at +5 for sure.

P.S. Seeing these low numbers in cats going OTJ I just went back and looked at all the labs I have on Max. He was almost always higher than normal but only the last few by much. It was always attributed to stress. He never had glucose in her urine though and his only fructosamine prior to November was normal. Still hmmmm.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132

Looks like Max is going to have a good cycle tonight. Paws crossed this dose brings more green and flattens him out a bit. If you are worried about the vial, look for floaties in it. I used a vial to start, but then I switched to cartridges (in the US you get pens). I believe there is a Lantus coupon for the pens which makes it a better deal.

The board did seem to be down for a couple hours tonight.

If you go to Youtube and look for "cats with neuropathy" you can see examples of what it looks like. Methylcobalamin, often in Zobaline is used to treat it.

Here's the link to Max's condo yesterday.

Re: 4/20 Max AMPS 316+5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132+4.5=67

Oops,I thought I linked the condos this morning. I wonder what went wrong??

Thanks for the info on neuropathy. I'll check it out. Thanks Wendy.

Re: 4/20 Max +5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49

Well, it happened. He dropped under 50. So do I have to take him back to 1.75?

Re: 4/20 Max +5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49

I am thinking that I will have the same problem with Rocky on the "straight" 1.75 dose, that I'll see a lot of pink number and no blue or green.

It will be interesting to hear if you like using the calipers.

Good to see Max coming down, but I hope that he doesn't go too low for you.

Re: 4/20 Max +5=189+6=198 PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49

Yea, it's good he came down but now he will have to have a reduction after one day and bounce and probably have no green and the merry-go-round continues.

Re: 4/20 Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57

I think that you are feeding Max mini-meals, right? I feed Rocky (4) mini-meals for his AM and PM cycle. He gets 1/4 can of food at the top of every hour for 4 hours. Marje suggested to me that I feed Rocky more food at the +1 mini-meal to perhaps prevent Rocky from dropping like a Rock.

I know that you are having some problems getting Max to eat.. do you think that might be affecting his BG? I mean, if he doesn't get his normal amount of food into him then maybe that's why the juice really starts to go to town??

I think you said one time that Max was 13 pounds and you did not want him to weigh more than that. Is there any reason? Rocky was at 13 pounds but it left no wiggle room for if he should get very sick again, like the DKA, and stop eating. I'm not saying to make Max a fat cat, it doesn't sound like you could do that anyway, but have you considered trying to feed him more food?

I'm probably wrong, but I have this feeling that you are not feeding Max on a regular feeding schedule like Rocky is on. I mean, Rocky is waiting at the door for me on the hour. He KNOWS it is food time. I see very little information on you SS about how you are feeding Max.

I think you've really got to try to get him to eat at prescribed times. I think it might help with the juice.

Re: 4/20 Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57

Max is actually 14 lbs 12 oz right now. His ideal weight according to my vet would be 13 1/2--14 lb. but if he stays where he is that is okay too. He was inching back up close to 15 which is too much. I want him to be around 14. Before pancreatitis he was almost up to 16.

I actually do give Max his largest meals in the first hour after insulin. He is used to grazing and eating whenever he wants. He seems hungriest between 5-7 a.m. when he can't eat because he gets his insulin at 7. If he screams for food now I am giving him a little of his freeze dried chicken at that early time. His appetite has actually been too good except for the last couple of weeks it seems to go up and down. I think he was actually getting too much if I factor in all the fd chkn he gets after tests and the baby food. He lays around most of the time and so his calorie requirements aren't as much as for a more active cat. I'm going to start recording everything he eats and see if I can figure out how many calories he is getting.

Re: 4/20 Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57

He seems hungriest between 5-7 a.m. when he can't eat because he gets his insulin at 7.

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I don't understand.. it's Ok take the BG, then feed, and then give the shot. As long as it's not a large amount of food, I think Marje told me that it was Ok to feed up to about +10.5.

This FDMB is tweaky tonight and is posting quiet slowly... I just read you last post that Max has been eating off and on for the past week. Have you considered scheduled feedings times rather than free feeding. In other words, putting food out and then taking it way. Putting food out again and then taking it away.. It might give you more information about the pancreatitis too.

If you can't feed him when he tells you that he is really hungry, is there an option to move his shot time either forward or backwards in time so that he gets to eat when he is the most hungry?

Re: 4/20 Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57+6.5=62

Actually I should say 5-6 is when he is most hungry as I test at 6:45 and he gets his baby food then and 7:00 shot and 1/2 a can of fancy feast. He sometimes cries for food at 4:30 which is fine but I would need to put it out and wait until he leaves it and then pick it up. I'm trying out giving him the chicken early on as it doesn't have carbs and shouldn't cause a food spike. I've been told to pick up food 2 hours before the pre-shot test.I think it is only really important when you think they might go low and need to make sure that you don't have a false safe number due to food. I've been giving him a little food since he dropped to 49 and he hasn't gone up that much so I wonder how important it is and if he eats 1 or 1 1/2 hours a small amount before his insulin if it would matter. I'm rambling and I hope I am making sense.

I was gone all afternoon and didn't bring my phone. When I got back I couldn't get onto the Board. I thought it was my internet but I think it's the site being funky.

I didn't feed him this last test to see if he maintains or goes up on his own.

Re: 4/20Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49 +6=57+6.5=62+7=70

It's been an hour since I fed him so if he is surfing or going up in an hour i think it is safe to go to bed if I put food out. I just gave him less than a teaspoon of his lc food because he was asking for it. He hadn't eaten in an hour other than the freeze dried chicken.

Re: 4/20Max PMPS 261+3=132 +4.5=67+5.5=49+6=57+6=62+7=70+8=1

Well he jumped up in the last hour 58 points. I sure hope that isn't the beginning of a bounce already. Time for me to catch a few hours of sleep before we begin again. Please Max, NO BOUNCING!!!