Food switch questions and Menadione Sodium Bisulfate ???

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  1. Lisa and little

    Lisa and little Well-Known Member

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    Hello all,
    Can someone explain the difference in the carb/protein values on an as fed basis vs. dry matter basis?
    I currently feed TIKI Cat which is said to have 16% protein on an as fed basis and 81% on a dry matter basis.
    Thinking of switching foods so I’m researching the Tiny Tiger brand from chewy. The chicken pate says 45.45% protein on a dry matter basis and back of can says 11% protein which I assume is the as fed %? CARBS for this food state 2.3% as fed and 10.45 % on dry matter basis. (Yes I’ve combed through Dr Piersons food chart and tried some FF varieties)
    Would you think I could expect a big difference in BG #s if I made this kind of switch?
    Which numbers should I pay attention to when researching foods? The As Fed #s or the Dry matter #s??
    The original reason I was thinking of switching is to maybe switch up the protein source since my girls BG #s are still wonky. However I just learned the TIKI cat brand contains MENADIONE SODIUM BISULFATE (synthetic vitamin K) and everything I’m reading about that is NOT good.
    Does anyone have any info to add about that menadione sodium ? After reading about it I’m feeling like a bad cat mom for feeding her a food with that in it. Here I was spending a lot of $$ on what I thought was the best- highest protein cat food only to find is has what appears to be something junky in it!!:banghead:
     
  2. Diane Tyler's Mom

    Diane Tyler's Mom Well-Known Member

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    Hi Lisa Sorry I can't help you out about the Menadione sodium bisulfate
    But I did find this that Wendy posted
    Hope this helps


    As Fed Carb % (as per Dr. Pierson) is what we use. For your reading pleasure, and from the Index in the Health Links forum:
     
  3. Diane Tyler's Mom

    Diane Tyler's Mom Well-Known Member

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    Lisa I see you use Zobaline, if you are looking to save money


    Here is the link https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-5000-mcg-100-capsules-6

    Alot of members use this , I use it myself you can buy it on line from Vitacost
    Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
    It's 17.99 just be sure this is the one you buy
    Some members buy Zobaline
    The only difference is the Zobaline has 200 mcgs of folic acid
    So I buy the folic acid at the supermarket and crush it up and add it to the B-12
    If you can't find the 200 mcg get the 400 mcg and cut it in half and crush it up
    The Vitacost brand is a capsule so just open it and pour the powder on the wet food and I always add some water to the wet food.
    Has no taste, no need to crush it up
    The Zobaline is 33.99 for 60 pills, too expensive
    I saw a big improvement I'd say 3 months, could be sooner. One capsule a day.
    Once you get your kitty better regulated the B-12 methyl will help


    Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules

    • SKU #: 835003001804
    • Shipping Weight: 0.23 lb
    • Servings: 100
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  4. Larry and Kitties

    Larry and Kitties Well-Known Member

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    I Googled it and go similar articles but none really provided any evidence that it is bad. The following article seems to be scientifically based and concludes not problem.
    https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2011/07/vitamin-k3-menadione-in-pet-food-is-it-safe/
     
  5. Lisa and little

    Lisa and little Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Larry. Good read. Happy holidays.
     

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