HELP....further hypo advice needed..

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Would you usually give him a snack at +4? He's not dropping so quickly so it's probably not going to be really necessary (of course he's a cat and it's their mission in life to drive us crazy)
 
Chris & China said:
Would you usually give him a snack at +4? He's not dropping so quickly so it's probably not going to be really necessary (of course he's a cat and it's their mission in life to drive us crazy)
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Oh wow..just checked ur profile ...so u live in Versailles ! We live in Buffalo! Small world ! Now back to this kitty thing...wanted to see if I needed to test again before bed or is 158 a safe place and just let it be... +4 has been his nadir ..
 
Beth 73 said:
Oh wow..just checked ur profile ...so u live in Versailles ! We live in Buffalo! Small world ! Now back to this kitty thing...wanted to see if I needed to test again before bed or is 158 a safe place and just let it be... +4 has been his nadir ..
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And no I don't usually give +4 snack...did this morning cos numbers were falling...this is my first( and I pray only) hypo rodeo...glad to know he can make it thru DKA and a brush with hypo
 
I'm with Chris on the food. Since he doesn't usually get one, leave a bit of food down for him to eat later if need be. He's not coming down much yet so it looks like it's going to be a quiet cycle. I think you are safe to skip the +4 tonight. I'd probably set an alarm for 3 or 4 hours and snag a test then before the potential second dip. Or alternately test at +4 and if his drop is still a slow one, then call it a night.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
I'm with Chris on the food. Since he doesn't usually get one, leave a bit of food down for him to eat later if need be. He's not coming down much yet so it looks like it's going to be a quiet cycle. I think you are safe to skip the +4 tonight. I'd probably set an alarm for 3 or 4 hours and snag a test then before the potential second dip. Or alternately test at +4 and if his drop is still a slow one, then call it a night.
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What would u consider a "slow one " if I test at +4? Guess I was thinking snack to ward off BG drop in the night ...
 
If you look back at dates like Oct 5/6, by +2 Elmo had already dropped 90+ points +3 which is a good but quick drop. He's dropped less than 20 so far tonight so while he's heading in the right direction, he is doing it on a gentle slope. Usually the amount of drop at +3 gives a pretty good indication of whether it's going to be an active cycle or not and I don't think Elmo is going to pull any punches tonight.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
If you look back at dates like Oct 5/6, by +2 Elmo had already dropped 90+ points +3 which is a good but quick drop. He's dropped less than 20 so far tonight so while he's heading in the right direction, he is doing it on a gentle slope. Usually the amount of drop at +3 gives a pretty good indication of whether it's going to be an active cycle or not and I don't think Elmo is going to pull any punches tonight.
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so should I test right now at + 5 then leave a snack down...I think if I put food down he's going to eat it right now...or set alarm for 3-4 hours from now and check BG then ??
 
He's up a bit this morning so I'd get either a +3 or +4 but you don't need to do both unless of course there is a significant drop that needs tracking and then get another reading a little later in the cycle at +7 or +8. Let Elmo think you found a new hobby today unless he pulls a fast one. I have a feeling Elmo may need 0.75u to get his numbers down just a bit more but I think it's a good idea to back off a bit right now until we are sure he is not bouncing at all from his low the other night.
 
Beth, can I ask you to start a new thread for today in the Vetsulin forum as this one is getting a bit long and Elmo's not threatening any dramatics right now. You can just call it whatever you like and you can put a link to this thread so the history is easily found by anyone offering assistance. We are trying to build a community of Vetsulin users so you can all benefit from each other's support, share experiences and get advice from those most familiar with your insulin. It's a small community right now but growing so when you have an urgent matter it's still a good idea to post in Health as well just to ensure you get some assistance especially when kitty decides to do their dramatics late at night at what might be viewed as "shift change" around here and folks from across the big ponds come on the board.

To put a link to this thread in your new one, copy the URL, then click on the little chain link in the 3rd box of the toolbar at the top of the message text box. This opens a new window where you can paste the URL and click on "Insert". Any problems, just holler. :)
 
You're welcome Elmo! Menace says "HI and can you get your Mom to put your picture up when she has minute? We'd love to see you!"
 
Beth 73 said:
.....Elmo says "thank you, Linda and China"....will post updates as needed..
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MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Beth, can I ask you to start a new thread for today in the Vetsulin forum as this one is getting a bit long and Elmo's not threatening any dramatics right now. You can just call it whatever you like and you can put a link to this thread so the history is easily found by anyone offering assistance. We are trying to build a community of Vetsulin users so you can all benefit from each other's support, share experiences and get advice from those most familiar with your insulin. It's a small community right now but growing so when you have an urgent matter it's still a good idea to post in Health as well just to ensure you get some assistance especially when kitty decides to do their dramatics late at night at what might be viewed as "shift change" around here and folks from across the big ponds come on the board.

To put a link to this thread in your new one, copy the URL, then click on the little chain link in the 3rd box of the toolbar at the top of the message text box. This opens a new window where you can paste the URL and click on "Insert". Any problems, just holler. :)
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Absolutely....was wondering ab that...will have my husband help me do this when he gets back...I am not very tech savvy
 
Well that little scamp is full of surprises! Yes I would give him a little low carb and then check him again in about 20 -30 minutes to see if he's leveled off or still dropping.
 
Did you check Elmo's BG again? Just want to make sure things are OK!

ETA Oh just checked SS again and see he's holding or up a tidbit. Good stuff! Keep surfing Elmo!
 
So right now you are at about +3.5 post shot? Is that right? So yes, I'd retest now and if he's holding or dropping, give him another little snack to keep him surfing. I'm liking those numbers today. :D
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
So right now you are at about +3.5 post shot? Is that right? So yes, I'd retest now and if he's holding or dropping, give him another little snack to keep him surfing. I'm liking those numbers today. :D
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Just now at +4 post shot...took last BG 45 minutes ago...will retest now and post...thanks for checking on us !!
 
Looks like he took one big drop and now is holding or rising very slowly but in any event it's a lovely surf he's go going. Good thing you gave him the 0.5u this morning because it looks like any more could have had him riding too close for comfort to the bottom of normal range. I think you can take an hour off and check again around +6. He'd definitely keeping you on your toes.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Looks like he took one big drop and now is holding or rising very slowly but in any event it's a lovely surf he's go going. Good thing you gave him the 0.5u this morning because it looks like any more could have had him riding too close for comfort to the bottom of normal range. I think you can take an hour off and check again around +6. He'd definitely keeping you on your toes.
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Sounds great....he seems like he is feeling especially good last night and today...up moving around more instead of sleeping 24/7....will check at +6 and post
 
Also saw him at +4 after his snack begin to lick something on kitchen floor...was glaze from donut...don't know if he got any of it or not....ahhhhhhhhh !!!!!....at any rate, it's water under the Elmo bridge !!! U got it right when u said he keeps me on my toes !!!
 
Beth 73 said:
Also saw him at +4 after his snack begin to lick something on kitchen floor...was glaze from donut...don't know if he got any of it or not....ahhhhhhhhh !!!!!....at any rate, it's water under the Elmo bridge !!! U got it right when u said he keeps me on my toes !!!
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Donut glaze could certainly do it. :)
 
He may come down a bit again later in his cycle. One number is just one number. It's the patterns we need to look at over time. I think Elmo is just not sure what he wants to do and of course the donut glaze would explain a lot too!
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
He may come down a bit again later in his cycle. One number is just one number. It's the patterns we need to look at over time. I think Elmo is just not sure what he wants to do and of course the donut glaze would explain a lot too!
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A question: what carb count qualifies a food as low, medium and high carb ? High= 10 ? But low=?and mid = ?... want to have all on hand ....
 
Any ketone test strips will do fine. I believe a lot of folks use the ones available at Walmart...Relion I think. I'm in Canada and we can't get the Walmart brand thus my guessing on the name.

Any food under 5% I would consider low. Moderate would be 5-10 and anything above 10 is HI. Since Elmo likes the Fancy Feast, the classics are low, the flakes/chunks tend to be medium and the Gravy lover are considered HI. When dealing with a kitty in low numbers, using the gravy off the gravy lover food is a good way to bring numbers up without filling kitty up with too much food.
 
About PM insulin...will be testing in ab hour and a half before feed and shoot...stay at 0.5 or go up 0.75 dependent on BG recorded at PMPS ? Also if husband doesn't help me get new thread established my techy son is coming by tomorrow and with a minimum of eye rolling (I hope) will help me get the new thread and link set up.
 
Your meter name is fine but perhaps just add "meter " after it so every one knows its your glucometer. Tomorrow is fine for a new thread Beth. If hubby and/or son can't help you, I can set it up for you but better if you learn how to do it from your end so people know who is posting and you can get assistance quickly if the need should arise again.

Beth 73 said:
About PM insulin...will be testing in ab hour and a half before feed and shoot...stay at 0.5 or go up 0.75 dependent on BG recorded at PMPS ?
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My thinking and habit on this is that I make dose increases on a day cycle when I know I will be up and awake to monitor and deal with things if they should need any intervention on my part. Also many cats go lower at night and you don't want Elmo going below 90. He was almost there today so if I were you, I'd stick with 0.5u tonight and see how that goes. I think you may still be dealing with a bit of fallout from that low the other day so it's better to be patient and let things play out before changing things up. He certainly fooled us today with that higher AMPS and then the drop to 98. Besides I know all too well how tiring those late night PJ parties can be. Had one a few nights ago with Menace and feel like I am still recovering.
 
One last check in for the day ..PMPS was 153..haven't checked since then...was going to check his usual nadir of +4 to see where we r..any thots? ...should I test now at +3 or wait ??
 
Sorry Beth. Got caught up with an emergency kitty. Elmo is doing great. I think if I were you, I'd stick with 0.5u for another day. And I also think you should go to bed and give yourself and Elmo's ears a breather. He will be fine. If you need peace of mind then set an alarm for around +8 or +9 and retest then but I really think he's good for the night.
 
Oh , Linda, I have been following Brittany and Oliver's thread. My heart and prayers go out to her . I too live in a small town with emergency vet 45 minutes away...have made the drive many times ...so glad she has u and others advising her and praying she is on her way to a good emergency clinic...going to bed now and praying you get to as well...u r an angel !
 
Generally, we consider anything under 10% low carb....11-16% medium carb and above that, high carb.....when I need something high carb for China, I use the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers (22%)...the "gravy" part is where most of the carbs are and it only takes a little bit to bring her back up to a safe number
 
Brittany is on her way to the vet so at least Oliver made it through the night which was good to hear. I hope he is OK. I live in a huge city and thankfully have an emergency less than 10 minutes away now but it used to be a good 30-45 minute drive for me too. I'm guessing Brittany is pretty rural and vet options are slim. That has to be tough. It also seems her vet is not exactly the brightest when it comes to diabetes. I'm not even convinced Oliver has diabetes from what little we know at this point in time. I hope she gets a better evaluation done today.

Elmo is looking good. I'm liking that lower AMPS this morning. Go Elmo! :cat:
 
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