01.31 Nelli (+7.25) 140; PMPS 117; (+3.5) 68; (+6) 99

Krystina & Nelli said:
@Bobbie And Bubba do you give whole raw egg?
What kind of Salmon- raw?
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I hard boil the eggs and then chop them up like I’m making egg salad. Then I add the EZComplete and water. It takes 3 eggs a day to satisfy Bubbas caloric requirements. I give 1/2 a hard boil egg 6 times a day.

The salmon is also cooked. I buy frozen wild caught salmon with the skins on ( lower mercury than farm raised) and I poach for about 7 minutes. I feed the skins too as they are loaded with calories and omega 3.To the salmon I also add EZComplete and use the poaching water . It takes 7 oz of salmon to satisfy Bubba’s amount of calories a day .


Raw fish isn’t a good idea unless you buy sushi grade salmon because of parasites. 7 oz /day every 3 rd day would break my bank to feed sushi grade. If you went the sushi grade route, you would still need to add EZComplete as fish is not a complete food source for cats.
 
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Bobbie And Bubba said:
add EZComplete
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Nelli does not like EZc, there fore she is only being fed straight raw. Raw chix thighs, backs and, hearts. Ground beef, aged| organic| air dried. Darwin raw Lamb.
Is her diet missing what EZc provides?… On the other hand I think about Nelli having hunted her prey most of her life and wonder- Is eating bones and innards, is raw prey complete?
And too on the ( other) other hand would you take a look at her labs
I do wonder and have wanted to post this- @Marje and Gracie and @Wendy&Neko would you please share your wisdom here?
 
Krystina & Nelli said:
I wonder if they can eat raw eggs?
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I think dogs and cats can eat raw eggs. But, I would investigate that to make sure.
Krystina & Nelli said:
Nelli does not like EZc, there fore she is only being fed straight raw. Raw chix thighs, backs and, hearts. Ground beef, aged| organic| air dried. Darwin raw Lamb.
Is her diet missing what EZc provides?… On the other hand I think about Nelli having hunted her prey most of her life and wonder- Is eating bones and innards, is raw prey complete?
And too on the ( other) other hand would you take a look at her labs
I do wonder and have wanted to post this- @Marje and Gracie and @Wendy&Neko would you please share your wisdom here?
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Yes, the raw prey they get is complete. The mice, rabbits, etc that they might eat has the taurine they need, calcium for the bones that they ingest and the organs give them the liver they need. The only other thing I think you could try is to get a meat grinder and grind your own meats including the bones and then give her chicken livers.

The peeps at EZ complete tell me that an adult cat can go several weeks with unbalanced food and even recommended it to me for Bubba after he had the allergic reaction to chicken and pork protein. It was to give his body a cleanse so to speak.
 
Raw prey is a complete diet. Do not feed raw egg whites to kitties, raw egg yolks are OK.

If Nelli doesn’t like EZ, there are other premixes out there. For a while I fed TC Feline, and there is also Alnutrin.
Dr. Lisa also has a formula on her website for making your own. I would not feed plain raw meat without supplementation.
 
Krystina & Nelli said:
Researched. No raw eggs for cats.
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Glad you researched it. I just saw Wendy's post below and I do remember now that raw egg whites were a no no. Guess that is why I decided to cook the eggs. They are such a cheap protein source and the Scottish in me would not allow me to throw part of the egg away becasue how many Angel Food cakes can I make? LOL

If you have been feeding raw with supplements for more than a few weeks, you do need to figure out how to supplement.
 
Again, concur with Wendy on all points. You need to find a way to supplement the raw meat so it’s balanced for a cat.

I also used Alnutrin but you must add raw liver. You can also study how to feed based on the whole prey model but that will require you provide meats with ground bones and organs. If you are feeding raw, you really need to do the research and be sure you do it right or you could end up short changing her on things she must have like ample taurine. Diabetic cats tend to be low on taurine.

I’m glad you held the dose and didn’t take a back-to-back reduction.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I’m glad you held the dose and didn’t take a back-to-back reduction.
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@Marje and Gracie
Rut-roe... I did take reduction at PM today o_O
I was not clear with Wendy advise to me-
“Nadir could have been at AMPS this morning. we have no way of knowing for sure. I have shot at 51 and 52 and I didn't assume cause it was likely a later nadir. However, Miss Nelli has expressed her thoughts tonight. :eek: Though it is only the second dose on this cycle, could be a bit of the 3.0 unit depot here as well as the 2.75 depot for sure influencing this cycle. This would be a back to back reduction“.
I reached out to her for clarification and she was not available.
I made decision not to decrease this morning.
Another member responded to my shout out, to Wendy last night (looking for clarification) and deciphered what her post was thought to mean...Nelli has earned a reduction think that was what Wendy was saying- So I decreased her tonight?
I hope I haven’t made a mistake by reducing her tonight o_O :banghead:
 
Sorry, did not see last night’s question, We generally do not take back to back reductions, because the depot is influencing the numbers for the first few cycles after a reduction. After the larger depot wears off, you will see what the new reduced dose is capable of. I would not have reduced.
 
There is powered egg whites and powdered yolk for that matter. I mix the white in Olive's food for extra protein. None of mine will eat scrambled eggs. Smokey loved them, but these guys sniff and walk away.
 
Krystina & Nelli said:
@Marje and Gracie
Rut-roe... I did take reduction at PM today o_O
I was not clear with Wendy advise to me-
“Nadir could have been at AMPS this morning. we have no way of knowing for sure. I have shot at 51 and 52 and I didn't assume cause it was likely a later nadir. However, Miss Nelli has expressed her thoughts tonight. :eek: Though it is only the second dose on this cycle, could be a bit of the 3.0 unit depot here as well as the 2.75 depot for sure influencing this cycle. This would be a back to back reduction“.
I reached out to her for clarification and she was not available.
I made decision not to decrease this morning.
Another member responded to my shout out, to Wendy last night (looking for clarification) and deciphered what her post was thought to mean...Nelli has earned a reduction think that was what Wendy was saying- So I decreased her tonight?
I hope I haven’t made a mistake by reducing her tonight o_O :banghead:
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Boy I could have sworn the dose for last night said 2.5u when I looked at the SS but maybe I’m going wacko :p

Just see how she does. Take the dose back up if she doesn’t get to green nadirs.

Krystina & Nelli said:
@Marje and Gracie THANKS :)...:cat:
Nelli gets raw, pasture raised (from a farm), chix hearts. I will make sure she gets (at least?-question) 2 every day, I have also fed her raw liver although not consistently.
Thank you and thank you @Wendy&Neko . I sincerely appreciate your input/advise :bighug:
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Even with high quality organ meats, the diet isn’t balanced just feeding them and/or raw muscle meat like thighs, as an example. You really need to take the advice of members and either find a balanced supplement like Alnutrin or try EZC again or make the food according to either Dr. Lisa’s or Dr, Becker’s from Mercola recipes.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
You really need to take the advice of members
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Thanks... don’t go wacko on me now :eek:- you had me thinking I may have recorded incorrectly, went back and checked :).
I am asking for input and advice with her diet. I thought I had | meant to post in #9 above. Later down thread I acknowledged advice and input 01.31 Nelli (+7.25) 140; PMPS 117; (+3.5) 68; (+6) 99
I never did post :rolleyes: my call to action- starting at PM today I am going to try the EZc again. I have spoken to the gals at EZc and they recommended I start with less than full amount... ease her in.
If this doesn’t work, I will look into bone grinding- if machine too expensive of an investment, I’ll try Alnutrin :)
I appreciate and often act upon advise of members :bighug:. Nelli does too :cat:
 
My kitty Ravan has Diabetes & Kidney disease. I use powdered Egg shells for calcium instead of the ground bone. Egg shell is lower in Phosphorus. (I think the bone is probably better if they don't have kidney disease)

I tried EZ 2 times. All 3 of my cats vomit even if I only add a tiny bit. I'd be interested to hear if your cat likes the Alnutrin?
 
JoyBee&Ravan said:
I'd be interested to hear if your cat likes the Alnutrin?
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I will definitely post results if it goes to that.
I cannot find any local butcher (yet) to grind a whole chicken... haven’t given up :). Also, haven’t checked into cost of investing in meat/bone grinder. As soon as I do that, too I will post results :-). Thanks for your shout out!
 
Krystina & Nelli said:
I will definitely post results if it goes to that.
I cannot find any local butcher (yet) to grind a whole chicken... haven’t given up :). Also, haven’t checked into cost of investing in meat/bone grinder. As soon as I do that, too I will post results :). Thanks for your shout out!
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You absolutely must transition very slowly. Even for my kitty who was already eating raw, when I started him on EZC, I just put the tiniest of bites on his plate each meal. He wouldn’t touch it so I’d toss it and try again next meal always just putting a small amount of new food next to his current food. They have to get used to the smell. It took him about a week before he’d even try it and then I started replacing his commercial raw with homemade in small amounts, increasing every few days. It took me over three weeks to get him completely over to EZC. Patience.
 
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