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11/10 Mocha-AMPS 324 +2.0=246; +9.5=143; PMPS225;+1=452; +2=228; +3 290

Discussion in 'Lantus / Basaglar (glargine) and Levemir (detemir)' started by Mocha aka Cold Play, Nov 10, 2015.

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  1. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    looks like bouncing....will be sure to get a final read late night
     
  2. carfurby

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    It looks like Mocha is sliding down today. Hopefully you'll see more blue soon.
     
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  3. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Thanks Carla for taking a peak....I think she had a spike after skipping the insulin because she was 109. Appreciate it!
     
  4. Doodles & Karen

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    Watch her today as that was quite a drop which means she could slide down into the green today. Try to get more tests in this afternoon too you want to catch her going under 90 so she can earn those reductions :)
     
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  5. Marilyn and Polly

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    Yup, could be an active cycle. Not too active now, Mocha. Just a nice safe, gentle descent. No shenanigans.

    Marilyn and Polly
     
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  6. Grayson & Lu

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    She's liking the dose - the swings will get shallower once she get used to the pretty blues.

    Maybe next time she's low at shot time, you'll consider doing a 50% dose or so, just so you don't have quite the bounce. I could delay or reduce, but skipping took a while to recover from.
     
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  7. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    I agree with your thinking and idea. I was nervous with the low amps number and happy at the same time. But, she clearly "paid" for getting nothing when she was doing well. I soooo appreciate input how to help get her stable. Just needs some tweaks. I might ask you to give me input when I get another number.
     
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  8. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    I was out today trying to find a home to downsize so I just saw this message. I will try to test her again shortly but she likely has already climbed again. I agree with getting more numbers and filling in this puzzle. I need help how to piece it all together.
     
  9. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Just got the 143.....so I missed the low because I was not here to check. Happy Blue!:p:confused:
     
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  10. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Just got the 143.....I missed her low due to not being here. Will have to watch more tomorrow and get more late night data.
     
  11. Doodles & Karen

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    Nice end for Mocha! If you can get some tests in tonight for sure :)
     
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  12. Grayson & Lu

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    Nice blues! I know it's scary at first, when you start seeing those numbers. Goal for now is to get rid of pinks, see some yellows, lotsa blues, and maybe a few higher greens. Blues are your friend. If you're ever concerned, especially with the lower preshots, you can always shave a little off the dose. Good job!
     
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    Please HELP. She got 225 pmps. I am afraid to give full dose due to the drops. She may be ok but I don't have much data on night dips. What do you advise?
     
  14. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Please HELP. She got 225 pmps. I am afraid to give full dose due to the drops. She may be ok but I don't have much data on night dips. What do you advise?
     
  15. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    What do you think I should do for her dose due in a few minutes?
     
  16. carfurby

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    Can you stay up tonight and test? Do you have plenty of testing supplies? Do you have HC or Karo in case you need it?
     
  17. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    I can stay up. I have honey, which I thought was also fine? Do you think give the full dose and test her how many times and how far apart and when do you give the honey?
     
  18. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    She has dropped 180 to 257 points on a 4.0 am dose. I don't feel safe with dosing the same when she is only @ 225!!! I know it says to shoot if above 150 but with her dives I don't think so? Agree?
     
  19. carfurby

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    Honey is fine. If you don't feel comfortable shooting the 4 units, you can reduce it for tonight. I won't be able to stay up with you. You can ask for help in your subject line if you need it.

    Whatever you shoot, you should get a +1 and a +2 to see what she's doing and if she's dropping fast. Any other tests would be based on what you get from the +1 and + 2 tests. You would use the honey if she drops below 90 and she won't come back up with just food.
     
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  20. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    do you think go to 2.0 units from 4.0?
     
  21. Doodles & Karen

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    You would not need to give honey until about 60 (most don't until 50) or if she starts showing signs of hypo. If she drops below 90 you'll want to reduce her dose! I'm not comfortable giving you any dosing advise but do agree with Carla. Hopefully the more experienced group will chime in soon!
     
  22. carfurby

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    I think 2 units should be okay, but to be on the safe side you should still get the +1 and +2 tests. You can post what they are and ask for when to test next in your subject line.

    I wish I could stay up and walk you through shooting. Hopefully sometime soon you'll get a number like this and someone will be able to stay with you, but until then you need to do what you feel will keep Mocha safe.
     
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  23. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Thank you....I feel so alone and I needed someone to respond. I feel 2.0 units will be safe and I will watch her to see she climbs after the dip that may be a good 3 hours to see the dip though?
     
  24. Suzi_S

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    I don't want to give dosing advice but I will be up for a while for support. I feel too new still to make that call.
     
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  25. Doodles & Karen

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    You'll want to get a +1 & +2 because there is still insulin in the depot to be sure. Depending on those numbers I'd probably test again until you are comfortable
     
  26. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    It just helps to have support. I gave her the 1/2 dose and will watch her....what a day.....hope the night is uneventful. How much longer will you be checking the posts?
     
  27. carfurby

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    You're welcome.
    It could be, but the +1 and +2 will give you an idea of whether she's dropping fast.
     
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  28. Suzi_S

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    I won't go to bed for at least 5 hours.... I'm a night owl.
     
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  29. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Is it not CRAZY to have her drop in excess of 180 points in her regular dosing? That is what scared me. It makes me think she must be on too high a dose.
     
  30. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Bless you Suzi. Let's hope I don't need to stay up that long. But, I will bounce her numbers off you via a reply. :joyful:
     
  31. Wendy&Neko

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    It may seem counter intuitive, but when a kitty starts with a lower preshot number, they don't dive as much. That's the beauty of Lantus and Levemir, when you start out lower, they are great at holding the numbers steady. That's why I had no problem shooting 6.5 units into a 107 this morning. But shooting a lower dose tonight is OK. It'll let you see what happens. This journey is all about gaining experience and data.

    To me, it does not look like she is on too high a dose.
     
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  32. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Thanks, I did not know what to expect in terms of "when."
     
  33. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Good to know that the "math" is not the same when the numbers are lower. I did not know that would be the scenario. Makes it less scarey. But, I guess as times goes on and I get more data, I will have more comfort. Are you going to be around later?
     
  34. Suzi_S

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    Not really knowing what I'm doing... Lol.. It does look like you started getting good numbers at 4 units.
     
  35. Chris & China (GA)

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    Not necessarily....we see cats drop from 400's to 100's all the time....we have one person who's cat routinely dropped from 400 to 40 and back to 400 by the next preshot

    I know it seems scary to shoot a lower number than you've shot before, but that's how Lantus works best....you just keep shooting the same dose until they EARN a reduction and then slowly work your way down to where they're (hopefully) needing none!
     
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  36. Wendy&Neko

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    Yes, I am on the west coast, still an hour away from PMPS time and madly working on a Remembrance Day wreath. Gonna be up a while yet!

    BTW - When Neko started out and did her worst diving, she earned reductions (below 50) in a cycle she started at 470. But when she starts a cycle in the 80's, she often will only have movement of 10 points all cycle. But that's me and Neko and we have been on TR over 3.5 years so I have lots of data. You will gradually learn to shoot full dose into lower and lower numbers with Mocha.
     
  37. Suzi_S

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    Is it weird that I get a thrill shooting the low numbers? Not too low, my lowest has been 88 I think, but I love seeing where she will go with it.
     
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  38. carfurby

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    I'm signing off for the night. Good luck. Don't forget to update Mocha's SS with the dose you shot.
     
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  39. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    It is comforting that the drop is not the same as the number goes lower, I just don't have that testing to know yet for her. If this is across the board, that helps.
     
  40. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    I did. It has the 2.0
     
  41. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    She got 452 at +1, can I give her the 1/2 dose now?
     
  42. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Since she shot up at +1, can I give her the other 1/2 of her dose? Should right?
     
  43. julie & punkin (ga)

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    Kari, there are usually people on here until about 11pm west coast time, and then often the Australian contingent comes on. Suki/Crystal is in France, and it's her morning about then as well.

    So, fortunately, we have people all around the world and most of the time there is someone experienced online.

    No, don't give her the rest of the dose now. I'll explain in the next post. Just go with it this time.
     
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  44. Chris & China (GA)

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    No....then you'd end up with 2 different nadirs

    Just hang in there and let's see how she does tonight
     
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  45. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Good to know about the support round the clock and to let the dose go. Feel bad because she is so hungry when it climbs that high. I guess I messed up in trying to be cautious.
     
  46. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    How much more testing do you think I should try to gather? Just watch for it to kick in and go back up again?
     
  47. julie & punkin (ga)

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    There are times when you get a "furshot" - meaning that something happens and the insulin doesn't all get in. Maybe some does, or the needle goes all the way through the skin tent and shoots out onto the cat. Or maybe the cat moves while you're shooting and the syringe pulls out and some doesn't go in.

    Here on FDMB we don't ever recommend that people re-shoot if some is missed. I feel the same way about giving partial shots. Even though you know that 2u got in, still measuring 2 u is tricky enough that you wouldn't want to give slightly more in each shot and have it really end up being 4.5u or something. We have done experiments on syringes and we know the markings tend not to be very accurate. For a human with a larger dose (or my cat, who got up to 15.5u) slight differences in dose might not matter. But for a small cat, 0.5u can be a huge difference. Even 0.25u can be a lot.

    So, I would just go with the initial shot you gave - it will give you good information on how she does with a reduced dose and next time you have a preshot that's lower, you can look at this example and see how well that worked/didn't work.

    I see your last post so I'm going to post this, but I'm a person who has to explain everything, so I want to write some more to you as well. back in a moment.
     
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  48. Suzi_S

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    She could still be rising before the insulin sets in.
     
  49. Suzi_S

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    @julie & punkin (ga) I like that you write all this out. It helps me to understand so that someday I can help someone.
     
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  50. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Can it help me to think that her drops are not points but % of the preshot? If I knew that then I would have been more comfortable giving the shot at full dose tonight. I was thinking points and that was problematic.
     
  51. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    Very helpful and I realized about the not shooing for fur shot but for some reason I did not make the same connection. Your explanation makes sense and will have to put in the memory drive.
     
  52. Chris & China (GA)

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    I think what you're probably seeing tonight is 1. a bounce from the blues she got today 2. a food spike and 3. effects of the reduced dose (although it's really early in the cycle so it's too early to say for sure what the reduced dose is going to do)....Mostly #1

    Anytime you're going to be home and have the supplies you need, it's usually going to be best to shoot the "scheduled" dose.

    We want our kitties to earn their reductions....when they do, we reduce the dose and then hope they can continue to get good numbers and then earn another one. The whole idea is to slowly reduce the dose (and still get good numbers) until they're able to stay in normal numbers with nothing...that's OTJ!
     
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  53. julie & punkin (ga)

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    I tutor in special ed, and also kids that just need extra help, in an elementary school, so explaining is what I do allllllll dayyyyyy long. :D then i come here and do more of it. ;)

    ok, more about shooting lower numbers.

    This is a particular passion of mine, although I didn't really "get" it until punkin had been treated for his acromegaly and his dose was dropping unpredictably, so I didn't personally shoot low. However, in the past several years since he's passed away, I've seen over and over that the way to get control of blood sugar is to shoot the full dose into normal numbers.

    Now I don't think you were ready to do that yet today! You don't have enough information (data) on Mocha just yet. But the way to GET to that point is to get a variety of tests in.

    Lantus and Levemir are really good at holding blood sugar flat. But they are not so good at bringing down high numbers. So you get those crazy drops when you shoot a high number - maybe 300 points or more even, after you've shot a really high number. Then inevitably, the numbers shoot right back up before long. Now you've got another super high number to shoot. Eventually, as you get to a good dose, you'll end up with a lower number at preshot. Might only be 175. Shooting that number, with the full dose, can lower your whole range of blood sugar. Now obviously, you can't do that when you're going to leave. But if you're home, your kitty is not sick and eating normally, you have plenty of strips and high carb food - then GRAB the opportunity as a chance to flatten out your cat's blood sugar.

    The first time, just shoot something like a 150 or above. The next time you have the chance, try lowering the number to something like 120. Then try a 90. Even for those following SLGS, you can learn to shoot lower - it is in the sticky. Since you're following SLGS, that (90) would be your lower no-shoot number.

    The important thing is to work up to it so you have DATA that shows what YOUR cat will do as you shoot lower.

    It also helps to look at spreadsheets of people who have done this. You're looking for green amps - then looking across the row to see the results. Then notice as the person continues shooting green preshots, how the spreadsheet often will turn all green, or all green/blue. Here are a few - these were both following Tight Reg, but the principle is the same:

    Davidson - start at February when Shawna began to shoot green preshots
    Vyktor - start at Feb 12, 2012 (Australian style dating on the ss 12/2/2012) when Serryn shot a 110. His really significant changes started about a month later in March when his ss went all green.

    Both of these kitties went OTJ. Not every cat does, but looking at their spreadsheets can help you see what is likely to happen when you do work up to shooting low.

    Furball - look beginning July 9, 2015 - Carla has been following SLGS with her. She's on an OTJ trial right now!

    Here's a post that Libby wrote about a variety of topics - shooting a dropping number is on post 6.

    You also want to read the SLGS sticky on handing low preshots - there is an initial section for those new to this, then there is a second section for once you have a little more experience. Usually the first time people will suggest that you stall to let the blood sugar rise and then shoot. Some people get stuck on stalling as a strategy and keep doing it over and over. Or they always reduce the dose when they have a lower preshot. These are good strategies to use initially to see what your cat will do, but there are other options in that sticky that can also be tried, with the goal to getting comfortable shooting lower numbers.

    I like to give the example of golfing & mini-golf. Both involve clubs, a course and a ball, but other than that they have little in common. Shooting low and shooting a high number are much the same way. The results you get are not very similar when you shoot high versus shooting lower. Shooting low is like mini-golf. the ball doesn't move much and it stays flat. Shooting high numbers, like playing regular golf, actually has the potential for huge drops and then huge bounces from it - it goes far, it's harder to know where it's going to land, too. I think shooting higher numbers is actually riskier than shooting low.

    The caution with all of this is to know your cat, work up to this, read lots, don't do it when you can't monitor, and ask for help if you want someone experienced to see if it's a good time to try it. Experienced members following Tight Reg will shoot most everything over 50 if everything is normal with their cat. Experienced members following SLGS will shoot most everything over 90. We encourage new members to ask for guidance for anything under 150 - but the sooner you get enough data that you can shoot lower numbers, the greater the possibility of remission for your cat. Shooting lower numbers (50-120) is the path to going off of insulin - honestly, i haven't seen it happen any other way. If it does, it's unusual and it would only be in a very newly diagnosed cat.

    You also don't have to do this! There's nothing that says you need to - I'm just explaining how it can work in cats so you know you have this option, IF you want to try it. You always hold the syringe and the choice is always yours.

    i do want to encourage you without pressuring you - there's no way to understand the intricacies of this Sugar Dance if people don't explain it. Others certainly explained it to me until I got it, too. When you understand how things work, it's easier to step forward into unknown territory.

    I hope some of this helps - if you have questions, ask away.
     
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  54. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    I understand this now. But, at the time I didn't have enough information to help me know it would be fine. As a few said a 1/2 would be fine.....made sense. As a result of more time passing, more comments came that would have helped me feel ok to keep it in hindsight. I am on a "learning curve" while she is on her "curve." I do have all the necessary supplies on hand. Now that someone has said the drops are higher with a higher glucose than when lower numbers is comforting to know.
     
  55. julie & punkin (ga)

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    Right, you want to work up to it. You did just right tonight, Kari. Well done!
     
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    You must be an incredible teacher! Thank you for the explanation. I was perhaps being too analytical of her huge drops when high and not having the information that it bottoms when lower. Seeing those SS makes a huge difference to not flip out. This really stuck out to me and thanks for the links to the info also. It makes me feel better that before I read this statement, I was thinking the same thing: "I think shooting higher numbers is actually riskier than shooting low."

    "- but the sooner you get enough data that you can shoot lower numbers, the greater the possibility of remission for your cat. Shooting lower numbers (50-120) is the path to going off of insulin - honestly, i haven't seen it happen any other way. If it does, it's unusual and it would only be in a very newly diagnosed cat."

    Very encouraging to stay the course. I now understand that the insulin drops harder with higher numbers and to "stick" with the "injection" as per guidelines. Sorry for the panic. I will get there with support.:smuggrin:
     
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    Thanks for the encouragement as I feel I disappointed her by not following thru when she was doing so well. Thankfully, cats are forgiving except with her female feline.. they hold a grudge. I think they keep score.
     
  58. julie & punkin (ga)

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    No apologies needed! Really - it is so counter-intuitive . . . and the reason I explain it is because I didn't really fully "get" it for quite a while. It doesn't really make sense, so I needed to actually see it in action, which is why I like to see examples, too. When punkin was newly diagnosed I looked at people's subject lines with the constant green numbers and I don't know - i just thought it didn't apply to him.

    Go at your own pace - that is perfectly ok.

    Another thing I've learned through all of this is that you'll have another chance to do it. Once you've had a lower preshot, it'll happen again. It's really nice to have time now to read and try to understand things. Then you'll feel a little more prepared when you have the next chance.
     
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    I remember my first low... 127, and I was nervous so I skipped. She went sky high that night and I promised myself the next time, if I knew I would be home, I would shoot her. And I did and realized it wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. I learned how she would react.

    You will get there. And you are doing just fine.
     
  60. Mocha aka Cold Play

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    And, now I get that she was not really low. So, you are so great to point out that when she is in good numbers to help keep her there. Slow and steady wins the race right? Have a good night. She is climbing a little so I am calling it a night y'all. You have all been so appreciated. Can't imagine what to do with a vet you can't reach and you deal with dosing when they are always closed. This is an amazing creation!
     
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    I see that on 9/24. I would have done the same I am sure. Thanks for the encouragement.

    I do see that huge spike and it took until 10/5 for you to get back to a similar preshot number.

    Wonder why the spike on 10/8 away from blues and greens.

    Curious for the reduction on 10/9 in the pm?

    The spike on 10/22 from the pmps of 87 into the 300's must be a bounce?

    What was Snicker like when had the 42 in the amps?
     
  62. Suzi_S

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    I believe the spike on 10/8 was caused by her super low. And she does not give me many signs. Only once did she refuse to eat and that one happened before I found this board, The vet clocked her at 36. The reduction was also from said super low but I didn't start it right away because...well..I forgot and then realized a few days late. The spike on 10/22 was probably from another super low that day as well, and again...no indication from her. She was fine, ate fine, acted fine. We are still in the same reduction from that day. Funny...she also has no signs when she is super high as well.
     
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    Bummed, got an H1 and finally found it this morning, means over 600. Oh boy.....that 1/2 dose was a mistake apparently but even a furshot does not drive her this high. Never been over 600. I will test her again and begin her reads for the day.
     
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    this explanation is awesome!!! bookmark-worthy. when i first saw people shooting 70s (when i switched from prozinc to levemir), i couldnt believe it! for g, the first time i shot a 92, it was an allniter. he dropped like a bomb! but you have to do these tests so you know how YOUR kitty will respond. you got data last night that will help you down the road. It really IS about gathering the data. Congrats!
     
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    Mocha aka Cold Play Well-Known Member

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    I will not make the same mistake again, she is still paying for it.
     
  66. Tara & Ivana (GA)

    Tara & Ivana (GA) Well-Known Member

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    I know what you mean, we skipped a shot on Saturday night so we could go to a concert, and Ivana still hasn't recovered from it. Not much you can do except learn from it though, don't be too hard on yourself :bighug:
     
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  67. Mocha aka Cold Play

    Mocha aka Cold Play Well-Known Member

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    I see that.....empathize with you.....Mocha has come down a lot today, 400 points from this am. Never want to see "Hi" again. If the am is pink, maybe we can see blue again soon. Thanks for the hug. Needed one after the late night and short sleep and then the shock of trying to figure out why it would not give me a read.
     
  68. Tara & Ivana (GA)

    Tara & Ivana (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Go Mocha, you can do it! I have never seen HI on my meter, but I have seen LO which freaked the heck out of me. Ivana still hasn't decided what colour she likes and is trying them all on for size, sigh... I need more patience pants!
     
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    Mocha aka Cold Play Well-Known Member

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    love that saying.....me too! "patience pants indeed." So what number results in a "LO?" just out of curiosity? Ivana definitely prefers green.....go Ivana go to the green!
     
  70. Tara & Ivana (GA)

    Tara & Ivana (GA) Well-Known Member

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    LO means the BGL is less than 20/1.1. My meter doesn't actually measure less than that number, I guess once it gets to that point it doesn't matter what the actual number is, it's still an emergency!
     
  71. Mocha aka Cold Play

    Mocha aka Cold Play Well-Known Member

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    can't like that......wow! indeed 911! yikes! Sorry that you both went thru that.
     
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  72. Suzi_S

    Suzi_S Well-Known Member

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    Been at work today, checking in on you two. Highs suck but I'd rather see a high than a low. Looks like she is coming down.
     
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  73. Mocha aka Cold Play

    Mocha aka Cold Play Well-Known Member

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    just got 143 pmps, will update. feeling so much better what a ride today from over 600 to 143!
     
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