? 4.15.15 Zoey amps (355)+3(216) PMPS 374 Corticosteroids? +4 (346) Amylase in enzymes

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Good morning!

Zoey's amps is inflated due to a late feed during the night. I did not load the auto feeder correctly and her meal didn't rotate to where she could eat it. I checked her at +10.5 and went ahead and fed so she has less than two hours without a meal prior to shot. With dose increase and the inflated number I'll be sure to monitor at +3, +6 and +9 hours (and as needed in between).

Thanks for the link on failed doses and wonkiness, Julie. I'm sure I'll have to refer to it several times and it probably still won't stick. I swear I have brain fog and it's about to drive me crazy. You mentioned steps for Zoey to get on and off the bed ... yeah, she has them. She has steps up to everything in the house: Windowsills, chairs and beds. She thinks she doesn't need them though. Of course, when she's with us, we pick her up and put her on the floor even while she's still trying to jump from our arms with all of her might. Headstrong.

@Wendy&Neko - i've used fish oil when I used to make my Rocky boy's raw food and I have the dose for that amount of food; but that was over a month's supply. Do you just add a drop to Neko's food each time you feed or a drop per so many ounces? Do you mind sharing your dose amount with us?

I am so tired today. So many things to do and so little time to do it in. :/

Hope you all have a good day today!

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I noticed in yesterday's condo that you mention splitting Zoey's B12 injection. I just wanted to check you aren't splitting a pre-filled syringe. The B12 is not stable in a syringe so shouldn't be stored in it, i.e. once it's in a syringe it should all be injected within a short space of time.

Good luck with the increase - work it Zoey, work it!
 
@purrdydolly thank you for your observation and asking the question. No, it's not in a premeasured syringe. I have a rather large bottle of B-Complex that was given to us, originally for our goats, but the vet said to use it for Zoey, too. I was told to give her 1 unit (using a 40 ul syringe) once a week. I am now splitting that dose.
 
I made Zoe a vet appointment and they're going to see her today at 11:45. She has the petechiae that I think we need to get to the bottom of, the limp and now a sore on her tail. Are there specific meds I should maybe ask for while I'm there? I know I should stay away from Metacam for pain. Any that are okay for cats? She may have arthritis in her joints. She starts the morning off okay but the more she is up and moving around the more pronounced her limp is on that front paw. I have a B Complex. Should I have just B-12? In my search for methyl B-12 it appears that's pretty expensive stuff that body builders use and is hard to come by, specifically. I know I searched for it with the goats a few years ago and the closest any vet in the area could get me was B Complex, which is what Zoey is now using (along with B-12 supplements in OTC pill form).
 
can't offer advice on what else to ask the vet, but sending healing vines for Zoey and hugs for you! hope the brain fog clears soon, I know that all too well! Here's to a productive and helpful visit today...:bighug:
 
The fish oil I use is dosed by weight. For a 10-14 lb cat, use .75ml. If Zoey is not in that category, let me know and I can look it up. I split the amount and put some on her AM and PM main meals.

It would be good to get the vet to check for arthritis. It's amazingly common here. If she does have arthritis, there are things you can add to treat the joints themselves and to address the pain. (buprenorphine, gabapentin, tramadol) in that order are my vets choices for treating pain). Neko also gets acupuncture for pain relief and I give her daily acupressure to supplement that.

Some kitties here use methyl B12 for neuropathy. Zobaline is a form specifically for cats. You can also get it at Amazon.

Marje posted a link in Sammy's condo yesterday about B-vitamins and cats.

Sending lots of vines for a good vetty visit. :bighug: I hope they can figure out the petechiae.
 
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Another great thing for arthritis is Adequan. You do need a script, and it is given as a SubQ injection, just like insulin. (Old school vets believe it has to be given intramuscularly, but that is not the case.) We used it with our GA civvie Mario for his last two years, and it was a miracle for him. You could still tell he was arthritic, but he moved much, much better while he was on Adequan. So that is something else you could ask about/consider if Zoey has arthritis.
 
Thanks you guys for the feedback and well wishes. The vet visit was good. Or atleast not bad news. She had an ultrasound and it showed no tumors or anything. He was pleased with her overall condition and felt she was improving (except for the petechiae) and said to keep doing what we're doing. Thought her BG numbers were good -- it was just all good. Still doesn't know what the petechiae is from. He spoke to the internist and they weren't really very helpful; thought it might be just the weight and to work on getting her weight down. She has lost almost a pound in the last 3 weeks from the diet change. He thought that was good. I let him know I wanted to slow it down and had upped the food a little over the last couple of days and he said, good. Felt the limp was probably arthritis and gave us some Buprenex as needed, up to 2 x daily. He prescribed some Animax Cream to apply to a sore on her tail and to her petechiae patches; and last, because there might be an enzyme issue, he went ahead and prescribed some pancreapowder enzymes to add to her food, 2 x daily. Might not do anything but won't hurt. I feel like we at least need to try something new so this is what he went with. He had no problem with the Milk Thistle, the splitting of the B-Complex injection or the B-12 pill twice daily. He said I could add an extra drop of Milk Thistle so she gets one drop in the a.m. and one in the p.m. (super concentrated strength). He doesn't feel the petechiae patches are a blood clotting issue since he's only seeing it on her belly and no where else. The other conditions that may cause petechiae have side effects that Zoey isn't showing. The major one of the majority of them is lack of appetite and she's off the chart with her willingness and desire to eat. We're going to reassess in 3 to 4 weeks and revisit the blood clotting possibility if there's no sign of improvement.

Other than that, we're all good and I've got the reassurance that I'm not going to kill her with all of the love that we're forcing on her. LOL

Wendy, I forgot to get her current weight so once I call the vet and get that, I will tag you and let you know so I can add the fish oil. I really appreciate you letting me know. :)

I'll check back with the PMBG about 5:30. Could be a lower one. (paws crossed.)
 
Always good to hear about a vet visit going well - I'm so pleased to hear they're happy with what you're doing and the numbers you're getting. It's great when you have a vet who will work with you and encourage you in doing the best thing for your cat. :D It's unfortunate they didn't have much information to offer on her petechiae or a definite reason for it but it sounds as though they're fairly sure it isn't anything too worrying. It's great to hear that there's nothing overall you need to be too concerned about with Zoey! :D :D
 
Yeah for a clear ultrasound and mostly boring vetty visit.

I second Amy's comments on the Adequan for arthritis. It helps a lot of kitties. Other things that can help the joint themselves are glucosamine chondroitin (for example Cosequin) or Hyaflex. Of course, one of the biggest helpers is getting down to a good weight.

Buprenex (buprenorphine) is also dosed by weight and has quite a range. You may have to tinker with the amount if it makes her loopy. My civie once got some from an emergency vet (not regular vet) that was twice the strength I was used to (didn't think to look) and he was acting like a drunken sailor.
 
Thanks for the info. I'm starting a list for future reference.

Question: The Animax Cream is actually called Quadritop Ointment. Reading the fine print it says it is a corticosteroids. I've read so much that it's all jumbled together .. but did I read something about that being bad? Or steroids? I've got a red flag waving in my head so I'm going to hold off using that one until I know more.

ETA: I think I misread about the corticosteroid but I need a clear head and better eyes to read the fine print. It will wait until morning. :/
 
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Okay ... now I'm aggravated. The only med I have given Zoey is the PancreaPowder. As prescribed: 1/2 teaspoon over her food. (2 x daily). She had her first serving of it tonight and I have to admit that Zoey has been remarkably calm and satisfied. She's making biscuits and seems content. So, wonderful; right? NOOOOO. I just took her BG and it's high. So that sends me searching and while I don't have the manufacturer's bottle to look at, (just a blue pill bottle with instructions and product inside) I did find the ingredients online and there was nothing that stood out to me. I search about enzymes effects on BGs and it turns out I hit the jackpot. The dadgum enzyme meds have article after article showing they can cause dangerous food spikes (talking enzyme additives in humans) and it's specifically because of something called amylase. I think, hmmm, amylase, I've heard of that. Yes, that's one of the ingredients in the new meds; and wait, wasn't that one of those things on her blood tests? Looking at Zoe's Lab, Amylase is an area that she was off the chart, super high in. :banghead::banghead::banghead: So, I guess I'm going to put her to bed and call it a night as far as tests go. I won't give her anymore of the miracle enzymes and I will add that to the list of things that we need to further research. I desperately need to do my job without interruptions for a day or three and these setbacks because of meds that are being prescribed to us are enough to make me want to scream and throw a true blue brat fit...
aaaaaaaaaaguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughghghghghhghghghghghghghghghghghghghgh!!!!!!!

I'm calling it a day. I've had my quota of ridiculous crap today.
 
There have been a few people here who gave pancreatic enzymes to their kitties. If you post over the Feline Health forum, you may get some suggestions fro which types are OK for diabetics.

Some people have given topical steroids before, I seem to remember some for ear conditions. Might be worth asking that one too.
 
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