5/16 Phoebe Squeak AMPS 373 +2.25 216 Bubble Burst by new vet today. Please share success stories.

Discussion in 'Lantus / Basaglar (glargine) and Levemir (detemir)' started by J.J. and Phoebe Squeak, May 16, 2019.

  1. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

    J.J. and Phoebe Squeak Member

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  2. Olive & Paula

    Olive & Paula Well-Known Member

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    Take a look at one of the OTJ Parties. Look at the list of all the kitties that went into remission. Some do relapse but it's usually because of another illness. Some stay in remission for ever. Some sadly like my Olive never will. Start posting, get rid of all dry food and rx food, follow one of the 2 methods here and you have a good chance as long as there isn't another medical cause.

    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/otj-party-for-hogan-today.211709/#post-2348038
     
  3. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Thank you very much.
     
  4. Wendy&Neko

    Wendy&Neko Well-Known Member

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    Can your vet point to published research showing success with his sliding scale method dosing? I expect not. With TR we can. The count of OTJ kitties is over 400 here.

    Due to Neko’s underlying secondary conditions (pituitary tumour), she never went OTJ, but TR helped get her and keep her fairly regulated and most of the time below renal threshold, plus happier.
     
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  5. Amy&TrixieCat

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    One thing to remember is that "TR" stands for "Tight Regulation", so while going into remission is a wonderful bonus, it's not exactly what TR is about (although - yes, following TR does increase the possibility of remission). If a kitty doesn't go into remission, being tightly regulated is the next best thing. Being tightly regulated keeps those BGs in a safe, healthy zone, saving a kitty's body from the damage high (and low) BGs can do. Many kitties here have been on insulin a LONG time, but they are happy and healthy - and that's because of TR. Kitties who don't follow TR (or SLGLS) have a much poorer prognosis.

    In looking at Phoebe's SS, there is clearly improvement in her numbers, especially recently: her numbers are flattening out/not all over the map anymore and reds and blacks are disappearing. Consistency, which is what you have when you follow either TR or SLGS, is what is getting her there.

    FWIW, my Trixie was on insulin for 3 years before she went into remission; she stayed in remission for the following 3 years until she crossed 2 years ago.
     
  6. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Thank you. That makes sense. And that's a LOT of kitties OTJ!
     
  7. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    All good points. Thank you very much.
     
  8. Gill & George

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    Just a quick post to share our experience, I followed tight regulation in 2015/2016, and BFG went into remission after about 6 months. A steroid shot knocked him out if remission just recently.
    We ditched the dry food, went on to a low carb wet diet and followed the protocol and it got us there.

    He is well regulated right now, on just a drop of insulin, and we are keeping paws crossed he gets OTJ again.
     
  9. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Thanks for sharing that story. Phoebe Squeak and I both needed to hear that. Fingers & paws crossed here for you & George!
     
  10. tiffmaxee

    tiffmaxee Well-Known Member

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    Max never went OTJ because years of chronic pancreatitis caused his diabetes but he was tightly controlled and lived to be a few months over 19.
     
  11. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    China was VERY tightly regulated....and she did go OTJ for a little while (after 4 years, 8 months of insulin!!)

    TR works!!

    I lost my precious girl on Christmas Eve morning....of what they believe was cancer.
     
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  12. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Wow! That's a ripe old age! Thanks so much for telling me that.
     
  13. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Oh my gosh! Christmas morning! I'm so very sorry. How amazing to go OTJ after such a long time! A vet nurse told me Phoebe Squeak would have already gone into remission by now if it was going to happen. I want you to know how much your posts (on many threads) have helped me. I know China is bragging about you in cat heaven. I just got a PMPS of 156 and decided to shoot her 1.25U anyway. I hope I did the right thing. I'll test at +2 and have a pajama party with her if needed. Thanks again.
     
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  14. Ti-Mousse

    Ti-Mousse Well-Known Member

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    If the protocols (SLGS or TR) were not efficient, we would not be more than 20,000 members!!
    As I said before, follow TR and Phoebe will be a regulated healthy kitty, that's her goal and a PLUS is remission !!
    In a few months from now, you'll be surprised of where your little girl is at and all the progress she has made!:)
     
  15. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    Thanks. Hope Ti-Mousse is giving you blues & greens very soon.
     
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  16. Amanda and a Loudogg

    Amanda and a Loudogg Well-Known Member

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    Vets like these make me sad. My buddy Lou almost went into remission a month in, and my vet decided to tell me he might go into remission, but it never lasts. Talk about a negative nelly. He's probably not a fan of "micro-managing" diabetes because that means he'd have to put more effort into working with the parents of FD kitties. I wonder how many diabetics he's actually dealt with. If it's a small number, his claim that none went into remission means next to nothing. A sliding scale approach does work for some insulins (like Vetsulin), but definitely not for depot insulins. :rolleyes:

    Anywhoo, there is definitely a lot of people on this board that prove TR protocol works and remission IS a possibility. My buddy Lou hasn't gone into remission, but as a kitty with insulin auto-antibodies, regulation has long been a pipe dream for me. I don't know how many times I've thought to myself "I'd kill to just get him regulated." Take a look at our spreadsheet. So much yellow and pinks, then we finally got a dash of greens and blues, and finally something's clicked. His spreadsheet is so pretty to look at right now. He's been in blues and greens for 3.5 weeks now (a record), he hasn't had a yellow for almost a month, and he hasn't had a pink in a month. While it's not remission, I cannot fully express my joy in how much TR has helped Lou. So boo to your vet. Take that. :D

    PS - I'm so glad you decided to shoot the 1.25u tonight. I hope she comes down for you and surfs (or at least hangs out on the beach) safely!!
     
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  17. J.J. and Phoebe Squeak

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    First -- Lou is ADORABLE! I love his photo. Second, thank you so much for your message -- it made me feel better for sure. And I LOVE Lou's spreadsheet right now!!! How wonderful! I've never heard of insulin auto-antibodies -- I'll have to Google that to learn about it. Turns out I didn't need to worry about shooting tonight because when I checked at +2 she was up 120 points. Frustrating because there seems to be no pattern that I can understand, but I guess overall she's headed in the right direction. Thanks again for reaching out. Phoebe Squeak and I are newbies here and we really appreciate your help.
     
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  18. Wendy&Neko

    Wendy&Neko Well-Known Member

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    We have a forum that talks about other secondary conditions like IAA (insulin auto antibodies), acromegaly and Cushings. You can just go over there and start reading.
     

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