7/5/18 Olive AMPS 315; +7=166; PMPS 289; +3= 303; +5.5=158

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Olive & Paula

Olive & Paula

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All kitties a bit sluggish today. I guess you could say the beans are also.

I've been trying to research cabergoline to send stuff to the vets. There just isn't any feline studies on it. I don't think the one on 3 cats will be enough to persuade either of them. I have a few decent studies that touch on the use in humans, but don't know if they will accept them. From what I've read Olive would not be a candidate for SRT because of the hcm and abdominal mass. So it looks like there are no options for her.

I want to try the cabergoline, if anything it might help level and regulate the glucose. We have nothing to lose trying it. The high glucose has to be causing more damage over time than the treatment would.

Temps are cool but humidity high, air is heavy. Report is tomorrow night the heat wave breaks.

Hope all furry members were safe from the fireworks last night.
 
One more day of heat (today) predicted here as well and I've already been out to fill the bird feeder and it is very icky outside!
Olive....please try a bit harder to work the juice ok?
 
I am so beyond frustrated on your behalf. Do they just keep suggesting expensive options and leave it at that? I feel if you are insistent they should be doing their own research as well (isn't that part of their job?). Unless they found something that says it is completely toxic to felines, they should humor you. Could it be possible for you to contact CSU or WSU or even that place in England (it's a stretch, I know) to see if they have compiled any information about cabergoline? Is it possible someone there could talk to your vet about their own experiences with the drug?

I am really hoping your vets get their heads out of their behinds and help you help Olive. I also sincerely hope this heat wave breaks. I'm tired of getting heat sick while sitting in my air-conditioned living room, haha. I hope Olive puts that juice to work for her today. :bighug:
 
I hope you can make headway with the vets to help Olive, and that they can see that you are really advocating for her. Sending all the positive thoughts and energies I can muster.
 
Amanda and a Loudogg said:
I am so beyond frustrated on your behalf. Do they just keep suggesting expensive options and leave it at that? I feel if you are insistent they should be doing their own research as well (isn't that part of their job?). Unless they found something that says it is completely toxic to felines, they should humor you. Could it be possible for you to contact CSU or WSU or even that place in England (it's a stretch, I know) to see if they have compiled any information about cabergoline? Is it possible someone there could talk to your vet about their own experiences with the drug?

I am really hoping your vets get their heads out of their behinds and help you help Olive. I also sincerely hope this heat wave breaks. I'm tired of getting heat sick while sitting in my air-conditioned living room, haha. I hope Olive puts that juice to work for her today. :bighug:
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Amanda, her long time vet claims he talks to endocrinologist in london. They say to do the P drug which is unaffordable and in the papers I've read it's a 50/50 success rate. So why is that better? Only because a study was done on it.

The new vet sent me info on what she found regarding cabergoline. Nothing I haven't read. But she states cabergoline is for feline birth control and feline abortion. She's afraid of making Olive worse than what she is now.

I think I can send records to Cornell to get an opinion, so I'm going to look into that.
 
Paula I am sending vines your way :bighug: I hope you find a vet that will prescribe it to you, I have a feeling my vet is going to react the same way.
 
HCM by itself wouldn't preclude Olive from SRT, it depends how progressed it is. The cardiologist may not recommend that much anesthesia.

Too bad your vet is being so stubborn about the cabergoline. They could try contacting the Royal Veterinary Clinic directly about the side effects. Or you could tell them we have a vet here using it on her own acrocat, and he's down over to over half the dose he was. Or the phrase I used a lot "humour me". Pasireotide was too expensive for RVC, they used donated drug in their trial. Actually when I first contacted RVC about it, the long acting drug wasn't even approved for use in England.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
HCM by itself wouldn't preclude Olive from SRT, it depends how progressed it is. The cardiologist may not recommend that much anesthesia.

Too bad your vet is being so stubborn about the cabergoline. They could try contacting the Royal Veterinary Clinic directly about the side effects. Or you could tell them we have a vet here using it on her own acrocat, and he's down over to over half the dose he was. Or the phrase I used a lot "humour me". Pasireotide was too expensive for RVC, they used donated drug in their trial. Actually when I first contacted RVC about it, the long acting drug wasn't even approved for use in England.
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I think but not sure the London endocrinologist he has talked with is from RVC. Whoever it was told the cabergoline doesn't work and use the pasireotide. I've read a few studies on the pasireotide, now grant you I don't understand a lot of the technical stuff but conclusion in the ones I read only helped 1/2. It's no different than cabergoline in my mind. It's all a gamble anyway.

I told the one vet about Floyd, it was before his dx. She said if a vet was a member and getting advice (I never told the vet which group it was) it spoke highly of the group.

I wonder if Janine and my vet would be willing to talk. I will work on that.
 
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