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8/24 Figaro PMPS 118 +12:45 76 +1 38 +1:55 64 +2:30 63 +3 57 +4:30 74 +5:30 94 +6:15 122

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  1. Figaro's Liz

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    After yesterday (first lime, skipped shot, and reducie)...I'm hesitant, but inclined to shoot this 118. Can monitor.

    But if anyone happens to be around... thoughts appreciated!
    Stalling and retesting 25 mins from first test, about 15 mins from this post.
     
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  2. Figaro's Liz

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    Hmm. +12:25 is 105
     
  3. Figaro's Liz

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    Going to shoot and monitor. May be a pj party
     
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  5. Figaro's Liz

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    I did wonder about shooting 2u or something like that. It looks to me like he's sliding down from the bounce?

    Haven't shot yet!
     
  6. Wendy&Neko

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    Could be breaking a bounce. He could also be going down cause he hasn’t eaten in a while. That’s the potential down side to stalling. Plus it's within meter variance.

    You said you feel like shooting? It is the weekend.
     
  7. Figaro's Liz

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    Stalled 20 mins and tested again, now 76.
     
  8. Tina Marie and Jan

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    Looks like Figaro could be looking at a quick succession of reductions. Sure hope so!
    I would not shoot a full dose. But you know I'm just learning too Liz!
     
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  9. Wendy&Neko

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    How long now since your normal preshot t8me?
     
  10. Figaro's Liz

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    45 min

    PS 118
    +25 min 105
    +45 min 76
     
  11. Wendy&Neko

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    Food will bump him up and you have a couple hours until onset. However, the decision has to be yours. I wouldn’t stall any longer. Either shoot full dose, part dose, or skip. What are you up for?
     
  12. Figaro's Liz

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    Yes, he gets a little snack around +9.
    I can monitor, want to shoot something. But unsure if the full 2.75 is dangerous?
    I'm thinking 2u
     
  13. Wendy&Neko

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    Note that due to whatever size the depot thinks it is, a reduced dose is no guarantee you won’t see excitment tonight. Maybe just not for as long.
     
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  14. Figaro's Liz

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    Thanks @Wendy&Neko @Olive & Paula

    I shot 2u. I am ready for action!

    Clearly I need to be testing more now that we are seeing better numbers. Fig is changing the rules. :)
     
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  15. Wendy&Neko

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    I would get an early test, +1 and +2, to make sure food is halting the drop.

    Maybe you just need to be testing differently. I liked a +9 or +10 test to give me a heads up on what might be coming up. Plus bounce breaking cycles can have later nadirs.

    The good news is how quickly he is clearing bounces.
     
  16. Figaro's Liz

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    Thank you Jan. I need to mentally prepare, and get data-ready in case that does happen. Of course I also need to be ready if that doesn't happen... oh these kitties keep life interesting!! :)
     
  17. Figaro's Liz

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    Yes! When I took the PS I kicked myself a bit for not getting a +10, but I had assumed he'd still be highish. Mistake made, lesson learned.

    Short bounces are exciting. And now that the numbers are lower I am also better able to see how bounces differ from the flat high numbers we had for quite a while. So I am starting to understand what's going on... sort of. (Somehow it all flies out of my head when something new happens, but I'll keep reading and learning amap!)
     
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  18. Figaro's Liz

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    +1 38! Gave tsp gravy. He ate an LC meal an hour ago.
     
  19. Figaro's Liz

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    Sorry if 911 is alarmist but I am slightly panicked. Gave another tsp and will retest in 20.
     
  20. Sue and Luci

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    You are doing a wonderful job with Fig! I hope his numbers continue to improve...with time you'll start to see trends, but to be perfectly honest it's their call and their game as to what's coming next - at least with Luci who took away my crystal ball the day she was diagnosed...I have a better feel for it now, but she still loves to pull out the greens whenever she feels like it, not when I'd like for her to do so...just be prepared to work with lower numbers - they're coming and you'll want to be solid on how and when to give insulin...Lantus likes consistency..so try not to change dose unless your protocol demands it (low numbers, etc.) and the time of day is important too...try to be as consistent as possible on the timing - I know if you're waiting it throws things off - and now tomorrow you've got to work back by 15 minute increments to your original times...but you'll get there.

    Have a wonderful evening...hope it's not too wild and crazy for you :)
     
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  21. carfurby

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    How is he acting? 911 is appropriate with a number in the 30s.
     
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  22. Jerry dutchboy

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    You've got this. You know what you need to do. Deep breath...
     
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  23. Figaro's Liz

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    He inhaled the gravy and is grooming, purring. Before the test/gravy I noticed his back fur was a little twitchy, but he had just woken up from a nap. Mostly seems normal.
     
  24. Figaro's Liz

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    Ah i needed that! :) he's chilling, probably just wondering if more tasties are on the way...
     
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  25. carfurby

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    That's good. Waiting for the next test. You're doing the right thing in feeding a little and testing in 20 min.
     
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  26. Jerry dutchboy

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    Isn't it funny that 20 mins in these instances can be endless. How long before next test?
     
  27. carfurby

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    Usually it's just stressful for us and the cat is fine and wondering why we're acting crazy.
     
  28. Figaro's Liz

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    Perfectly said! About 5 mins now.
     
  29. Jerry dutchboy

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    I know I'm always anxious during the wait.
     
  30. Figaro's Liz

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    Thank you and @carfurby for being here! :) ok, test time.
     
  31. Figaro's Liz

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    Ok he is 52! Breathing again for now and taking down the flag.
    But since I am so early in the cycle, I'm wondering if I should feed more HC or MC? He usually gets LC at +3...
     
  32. carfurby

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    I'd give him a teaspoon of HC or gravy and test again in 30 minutes since it's so early in the cycle. It's better for him to be over 60.
     
  33. Jerry dutchboy

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    If it were my cat he would get some more hc and test again in 20/30. High carb can wear off so I'd want him up more than 50.
     
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  34. Figaro's Liz

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    More HC given and happily recieved.
    Because the HC wears off quickly, does it make sense to feed LC to keep him propped up through onset?
    Just to be clear, I am on high alert! Will test in 20. He just finished eating.
     
  35. carfurby

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    I would hold off on feeding anything else until you get the next test. Then you may want to feed LC depending on what his number is.
     
  36. Figaro's Liz

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    That makes sense. Okay! Counting down... 15 mins to next test.

    PS Carla I LOLd at this because yes, this was exactly the scene here :) thanks for that!
     
  37. Penelope and Mačka

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    Oh Liz, it looks like you have this! I'm glad Figaro's eating for you when needed. I also am SO happy that he's earning reductions!
     
  38. Jerry dutchboy

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    How're you holding up. I know when Jerry pulled these stunts in the beginning my adrenalin was pumping but he was stretched out looking comfy and looking at me as if I had lost my mind. Lmao.
     
  39. Figaro's Liz

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    64 at +1:55. So a little bump keeping him up!

    He is napping. My guess is that if I gave him HC he would eat it, but he may not be as interested in LC just yet.
     
  40. carfurby

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    I'd see if you can get him to eat a teaspoon of LC to keep him surfing. If he won't eat it, you may need to give him HC. The idea is to keep him over 60 for two tests after feeding HC.

    ETA: For two tests after the last feeding of HC.
     
  41. Krystina & Nelli

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    INTERSTING... at minimum! :eek:
     
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  42. Jerry dutchboy

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    That's better. Agree with Carla small snacks of LC. If he won't eat it after that yummy HC you could mix a little of the gravy into the LC that sometimes works for my gravy lover. You are doing a great job Momma bean.:bighug:
     
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  43. Figaro's Liz

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    Muahaha, he took the bait and had a bit of LC. Right, going to keep a hawk eye on him, try not to freak him out, and test in 20-30.
     
  44. Krystina & Nelli

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    :joyful: :p... :cat:
     
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  45. Figaro's Liz

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    He is has been giving me the side eye. "Just let me nap in peace! Oh, well... if there's food, okay" :smuggrin:

    I can't even tell you how much it helps to have you here! If I were on my own I'd be completely bananas! As it is, I feel in control, which is amazing. Definitely some adrenaline too!
    ETA lots of adrenaline :nailbiting::eek::p
     
  46. Penelope and Mačka

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    Good thing tomorrow is a Sunday
     
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  47. Krystina & Nelli

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    ;)
     
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  48. Figaro's Liz

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    Right. These step by step targets are very helpful. And we are now at +2:15 so this dose may be kicking soon as well.
     
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  49. Jerry dutchboy

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    You'll be ready for a big glass of wine when alls said and done. I know the feeling of having someone here when you're dealing with a low. My 2nd time (and 1st when on the forum) I had a number of members stay with me for hours. It helps, so I'm happy you are not feeling alone.:bighug:
     
  50. Jill & Scooter

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    You and Fig are doing great!!! It is scary, especially the first time or two they go lime green. Figaro will be fine, he's eating and you are keeping a very close eye on him.
     
  51. Penelope and Mačka

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    :p:p:p It's Saturday night after all!!!
     
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  52. Figaro's Liz

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    @carfurby @Jerry dutchboy
    Okay 63 at +2:30. That is with some LC since the last test (but no HC for 2 tests).
    More LC snacks and tests/30 min?
     
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  53. carfurby

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    Yes.
     
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  54. Jerry dutchboy

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    He's holding steady so I'd continue with LC snacks and test in 30. Try not to give him too much as you'll want him to keep an appetite.
     
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  55. Figaro's Liz

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    And luckily I slept in this morning! :smuggrin:
     
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  56. carfurby

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    I'm going to have to log off and get some sleep. Just keep doing what you've been doing and Figaro should be fine.
     
  57. Figaro's Liz

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    57 @+3. Gave a bit of LC with a bit of HC.
     
  58. Figaro's Liz

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    Thank you sooo much Carla!! Fig thanks you too!
     
  59. Jerry dutchboy

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    Good move. The clock is reset again.Test in 20.
     
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  60. Bron and Sheba (GA)

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    Just seeing this tag. I will be around for 1 hour then have to go out for a couple of hours. Looks like you are doing well.
     
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  61. Figaro's Liz

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    Poor Fig, he is zonked. He is tired but I think he also feels off in these lower numbers... (and a bit annoyed by the pokes). He ate most but not all of the LC/HC snack.
    So, I'm expecting to give more HC,but won't get ahead of myself!
     
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  62. Tina Marie and Jan

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    Great job Liz keeping your gorgeous boy safe:bighug::coffee::coffee:
     
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  63. Jerry dutchboy

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    Let's see what the next test gives us. When is his normal nadir?
     
  64. Idjit's mom

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    Hi Liz, kisses to Figaro..I'm here too. :bighug:
     
  65. Bron and Sheba (GA)

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    He might drop lower again as the insulin takes effect during the first half of the cycle. If you are concerned you can always bump up his BG a bit with some higher carb food to give you a bit of a safety margin
     
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  66. Figaro's Liz

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    63

    It's been difficult identifying his nadir time. I thought for a while it was around +4 or +5, but in recent streaks of green it has seemed closer to +7.
     
  67. Figaro's Liz

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    I was thinking about this too... I don't want to send him into space but I don't think I'll see a rise for a while.
     
  68. Jerry dutchboy

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    Liz, I'm off to bed. You have some great eyes on you going forward. Idjits Mom and Bron will help you further. I'll check in with you in the morning ( not too early I promise).
    If it were me, I'd give him some gravy now to get his BG up a bit more as he still has a ways to go to nadir. Just keep doing what you're doing, you've got this. :):bighug:
     
  69. Figaro's Liz

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    I am ever grateful Deirdre, you kept my feet on the ground! Thank you and sleep well :bighug:
     
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  70. Figaro's Liz

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    Just an update, I gave a little more LC and HC. He got up to switch spots, seems to feel okay, just a bit sleepy...
     
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    74 @+4.5 with a little HC on board.. feeling okay!
     
  72. Figaro's Liz

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    Thanks so much Lou :bighug:
     
  73. Wendy&Neko

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    Just so you know, for some cats, it takes closer to 30 minutes before the carbs go from the plate to the blood stream as sugar. Also, you may need more carbs for lows early in the cycle when the insulin is stronger, than later when it's waning. For that reason, if there is a next time :cat:, you might want to consider a dab of honey or karo for 30's early in the cycle. The goal of HC/sugars is to get them up around 30 points. Good to see those notes on what you fed and when. I don't know what % your HC is, but I kept something a little higher % around for early drops or under 40's.

    Good to see him rising a bit. Since he has earned a reduction, feel free to be a little heavy handed with the HC if you want him higher so you can get to sleep sometime.

    Oh, and definitely a reduction down to 2.5 units.
     
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  74. Figaro's Liz

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    Thank you for confirming! I was wondering about that.
     
  75. Figaro's Liz

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    In case anyone is still keeping an eye on us (thank you all who have stopped by today!! :bighug:), Fig is safely rising now, at 94 after an hour of no noms. I may think about hitting the hay soon, following Figaro's lead...
    20190825_004813.jpg :joyful:
     
  76. Wendy&Neko

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    I'd usually wait two hours after HC given, cause it can wear off after 2 hours. Looks like it's been that long. :)
     
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  77. Idjit's mom

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    If you feel confident and at ease, I wish you sweet dreams and good rest. Nuzzle Fig for me. Will you leave food out for him?
     
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  78. Figaro's Liz

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    Just about... but even so, I think I'll wait up for one more test, maybe around +6:15, just to be sure he is safe. :)

    I'm sure he will gladly receive nuzzles by proxy! :) I'll wait up a little longer. I'll feel better if I can get him to eat before I sleep, but will leave some food out for him regardless.
     
  79. carfurby

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    I'm glad Fig came up for you and stayed up. I hope you got some sleep.
     
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  80. Jerry dutchboy

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    Liz, did you manage to get some rest. Good job last night, you handled it like a pro.
    Sending you lots of :coffee::coffee: this morning. Lots of head scritches to the little man.:bighug:
     
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  81. Krystina & Nelli

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    She probably is back sleepin’!! :)
    She probably is back sleepin’!! :)
     
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  82. Jerry dutchboy

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    Don't blame her.... wish I could do the same most mornings unfortunately I very rarely can get back to sleep.:)
     
  83. Figaro's Liz

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    @carfurby and @Jerry dutchboy you are so kind to check in after staying with me through my scary time yesterday :bighug: It was a bit of a crazy night but now, it's a new day! Fig is bouncing for sure with an AMPS of 347, but seems to feel fine. He got another reducie to 2.5.

    @Krystina & Nelli is completely right! I got a few hours of sleep last night, got up for our routine, then crashed again. I feel much better now! Time to run errands... including a stop for cat food, of course :cat:

    Fig is also glad I've been sleeping and not bugging him ;) Checking on his bird pals outside right now.
     
  84. Jerry dutchboy

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    Felt bad signing off last night but I knew you had two experienced members on board. So glad he started to come up shortly after. Happy you got some rest, its exhausting watching the 20 mins tick by when you're concerned. Hope he decides to take off his spacesuit soon and come back from the moon.:bighug:
     
  85. Ti-Mousse

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    I missed all the excitement yesterday and the day before..... he's keeping you busy ! :p It's so stressful to test all night trying to get them up ! You did so great !
    Hope you have a more relaxed day, today !! :)
     
  86. Figaro's Liz

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    Oh, I hope you didn't feel too bad! You helped me so much and I didn't feel abandoned for a moment.
    I hope he decides to come back from his space excursion too.. a little less dramatically this time! :)
     
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  87. Krystina & Nelli

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    @Figaro's Liz “Blame her”??
    Heavens no :woot:
    Gosh, I feel terrible (truly :oops:)
    that I came across (to you!), this way.
    Thanks to you both, @carfurby, Carla- @Figaro's Liz , Liz for being UP & “ON!” :bighug: :cat: :bighug:
     
  88. Jerry dutchboy

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    So
    Krystina, sorry I didn't mean that you were blaming her just my way of putting that I didn't blame her after the night she had. Good for her that she can catch up on sleep. I'm jealous of anyone who can sleep in.

    My bad that I came across incorrectly, we were actually on the same page.:bighug:
     
  89. Figaro's Liz

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    I definitely didn't read your comment like that at all Krystina! I don't think you need to worry :bighug: thank you so very much for your kind support :):cat:
     
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  90. Penelope and Mačka

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    Liz you did amazingly last night! I would have lost my mind completely but you stayed positive, I'm impressed. Glad you could sleep and that Fig is safe AND earned a reduction. I hope he's going in the right direction, that would be wonderful. Have a great day!
     

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