help! new and need to know if food will hurt him ⚠

Ok,
Ive posted a couple of times but I started treating Mister on 3/14/2015 and I have a spreadsheet.

he was on Friskies special diet "Turkey &Giblets , and "Beef & Chicken" for 2 yrs.I was regulating him through that diet feeding every 4 hrs. 3 tbs wet food and running him.

He seems to not do well on foods that are high in phosphorous so this is even more complicated because when he got sicker and we started insulin on the 14th he decided he will not eat those foods or any other Pate.

He is eating Friskies Shreds... "Beef in Gravy- 43 protein 42 fat 15 calories and 297 phos
Turkey cheese in Gravy- 44 protein 42 fat 14 carbs 299 phos
chicken in Gravy- 44 protein 42 fat 14 carbs 324 phos
prime filets
Turkey Dinner in Gravy- 52 protein 34 fat 14 carbs 318 phos

1 5.5oz can at 8a with 1.5 prozinc
1/2 can at 2p
1 5.5oz at 8p with 1.5 prozinc
1/2 can at 2am

he is drinking plenty, playing, purring, and fur is softer than its been in yrs,
but the litter box is still a river and his numbers dont really seem to be changing.
If i hold food out to the 8,9 hr mark he vomits bile

any advice? If I try any other foods he just ignores and sleeps
He is only 13 lbs. And will be 12yrs this aug.
also he has Fluts, and mega colon, but the mega colon hasnt been a problem since the diabetes diagnosis


Thanks ,Tina

 

Hello.
Often when they get sick on a food, they won't eat it again.... it becomes a bad association.

How was his megacolon diagnosed? ultrasound?

his symptoms sound a lot like ibd with the diarrhea and vomiting....
it could be that with his new foods, he has developed a sensitivity to some of the additives that they use to make gravy....
many formulas have changed ( and carageegan is showing up everywhere)
I seem to have that problem too as I had added the same foods as you and my cat has runny stools in reaction to them.

I don't know what fluts is.

If you could set an alarm and get some pm tests, I would say to increase by 0.25u ....
depending on your shot time.... I would hope you could at least get a before bed test....
the +2 test can indicate it's going to be an active cycle if it drops significantly from the preshot test.


I also see a footnote that Mister snuck some dry food..... could he be doing it more often than you think?

 

Mister hasn't ever had the runs he just goes normal now.
my only problem is he only likes those high carb gravy s.

besides his bgs staying up he is doing great.
F.L.U.Ts is when cats get crystals from high ash/ magnesium phosphorous foods.. the higher the acidity is the more likely they develop a blockage in the urethra.

As for the dry food I know when this happens because all four cats eat in seperate rooms locked behind doors. Its only when someone opens a door and looks away for a second that he gets caught trying to be sneaky, but he is always caught LoL!
I dont think mega colon is a problem anymore...when he was diagnosed it was through xrays and he was on Lactulose from 2008 till diabetes diagnosis in 2013
for all I know the med could've caused the diabetes.
He was 20 lbs before the diabetes and switch to all wet foods. Now he is 13lbs.
I think he is just sick of Pate flavors and is thinking...If im getting poked daily
it will be for something I want

 

Try Fancy Feast classics and the kitten cans that's what was recommend for diabetics like them no dry

 

Of course he likes the gravy foods, it's high carbs, what's not to like. The problem with that is you will have a very difficult time regulating his diabetes.

Have you seen Dr. Lisa's food comparison chart that lists carbs and phosphorus for you. While the Friskies SD is the most common low carb/low phos food, there are others on the list that you may want to try.

www.catinfo.org.

 

A cat has to eat While not desirable, the 14% carb foods are not that bad at all and I would continue to feed them. Based on your SS I would also increase the dose of ProZinc

 

Feline lower urinary tract disease will do best on a canned or raw diet due to the moisture content. You can add about 1 ounce of plain meat or poultry to every 5 ounces of food to give it texture plus a protein boost. After adding, portion out what you normally would feed.

 

I tried fancy feast classic s and he actually loved it but its high in phosphorous so he ended up laying in his litter box for hrs and constantly licked himself down there and than his bgs went up.
so Im sure his kidney function hates fancy feast

 

So do you just boil chicken and shred it?

 

Some of the regular Friskies pate flavors, while not as low in phos as the SD are still fairly low (low enough that our CKD kitty can have them at least some of the time). I buy the Chicken and Liver, Country Style Dinner and the Whitefish & Tuna varieties (all under 1.5% phos as dry matter). The mixed grill is also low in phos and I do allow it just once in a while, although at 11% carbs it's not the best one for a diabetic (far from terrible, just not as good as it could be). If he's got hooked on gravy, the way I got around that was by mixing a lot of water into the pate so it pretty much turns into a soupy, gravy kind of texture. All the cats here (even the 2 that our housemate owns who I am assured refuse to eat wet food) love it.

 

Yes, or cube it.

 

Hi, Though I have two 18 year old cats Muffy (what a tomboy thumping around the house)
& Daisy (walks like a delicate princess lol), I noticed some very good diabetic cat information
on Tanya's CDF site on http://www.felinecrf.org/diabetes.htm
and decided to make a commercial canned cat food list of 1% to 2% carbs.
Then researched it to make sure they had no Carrageenan.
This is the first Diabetic cat site I put this list on.
It took me 2 months detailed research in my spare time.
It's the newest info I could find from Sept 2014 but mainly March 2015.

I narrowed it down to cat foods with 1% to 2%
and NO CARRAGEENAN!
(Also as SOME Diabetic cats have or may have in the future,
renal disease (CKD Chronic Kidney Disease) the phosphorus
levels are VERY low in the 0.60 to 1.5 range
(100mg to 200mg Phosphorus/100kcals)

TANYA'S COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO FELINE CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE
US CANNED CAT FOOD DATA - Updated 2014

I sorted out the best canned cat food from the carb & phosphorus data on:
TANYA'S COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO FELINE CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE
US CANNED CAT FOOD DATA - Updated 2014 a wonderful site.
and put it in ALPHABETICAL order.
But all of the data for Carrageenan, I researched from individual
sites in the ingredient list in last week of March 2015.

DIABETIC CAT - SEPT 2014 & 2015
What Is the Best Food for a Diabetic Cat?
Cats true obligate carnivores & so have very high protein requirement
and an almost nonexistent carbohydrate requirement.
Cats designed to eat foods high in protein, moderate in fat & very low in carbohydrates.
The following composition is ideal:
1) 50% or more calories from animal-based protein
2) 20 - 45% calories from fat
3) 1-2% calories from carbohydrates
4) Rich in water approx. 70% by weight
Because some diabetic cats have or are prone to renal disease also called
Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD), I have kept the phosphorus levels low.

Low carbs 1% - 2% MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER FOR DIABETIC CATS!
Protein 50% or more from animal protein (not plants..veggies etc.)
Low Phosphorus to 200mg Phos/100kcal (1.55% Dry Matter Analysis (DMA)).
20% - 45% calories from fat
Rich in water 70% by weight (NO DRY CAT FOOD)

- Regarding diabetic cat diets
Each brand has very high & very low levels of Carbohydrates.
SO BE SPECIFIC WHEN CHOOSING WITHIN A BRAND!
Buy the exact canned cat for & NOT just the brand name!

Commercial Non-Prescription Foods 2014 Carrageenan Free
IMPORTANT: foods marked * are NOT complete foods and NOT be fed exclusively
Food Name...................................... CARBS 1 % to 2.73 %
Fancy Feast Classic Cod, Sole & Shrimp Feast 2.73 %
Fancy Feast Classic Seafood Feast 2.73 %
Fancy Feast Classic Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast 2.73 %
Fancy Feast Flaked Fish & Shrimp Feast 0.00 %
ALL Halo Spot’s Carrageenan FREE but PATE HAS Carrageenan
Halo Spot's Pate Whitefish Grain Free 2.60 % Carrageenan
Halo Spot's Pate Wild Salmon Grain Free <1.00 % Carrageenan
Holistic Select Grain Free Chicken Pâté Recipe 2.93 %
Holistic Select Grain Free Turkey Pâté Recipe 2.82 %
All Natural Balance NO Carrageenan
Natural Balance Del Del O'Fish Scampi Cat Stew .60 %
Natural Balance Del Del Purrrfect Paella Cat Stew 1.34 %
Natural Balance Del Del Sea Brûlée Cat Stew 1.96 %
Nutro Natural Choice Senior Soft Loaf Chicken 0.00 %
Nutro Natural Choice Senior Soft Loaf Cod 0.00 %
9Lives Real Flaked Tuna in Sauce 0.00 %
Pro Plan Finesse Ad Oc Wtfish Salm Entré Classic 2.27 %
Purina ONE SmartBlend Classic Turkey Prem Paté 2.73 %
Purina ONE SmartBlend Oc Whitefish Prem Paté 1.82 %
Rachael Ray Nutrish Lip Smackin' Sard Mack 1.58 %
Rachael Ray Nutrish Oc Fish Chicken Catch-iatore 1.27 %
Rachael Ray Nutrish Tuna Purrfection 0.71
ALL Tiki NO Carrageenan
Tiki Cat Papeekeo Luau White Tuna & Mackerel 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Waikiki Luau Tuna on Rice with Tilapia 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Koolina Luau Succulent Chicken Egg 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Manana Grill Ahi Tuna with Prawns 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Napili Luau Wild Salmon & Chicken 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Hookena Luau Ahi Tuna & Chicken 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Hanalei Luau Wild Salmon 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Molokai Luau Tuna on Rice Kalamari 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Hana Luau Ahi Tuna with Crab 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Puka Puka Luau Succulent Chicken 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Lanai Luau Ahi Tuna with Crab Surimi 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Honolulu Luau Tuna Rice Crab Surimi 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Waimea Luau Tuna on Rice with Prawns 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Bora Bora Luau Sard Cutlets Lobster Cons 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Makaha Luau Mackerel & Sardine 0.00 %
Tiki Cat Tahitian Grill Sardine Cutlets 0.00 %
ALL Weruva has NO Carrageenan
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Fowl Ball 0.00 %
Weruva Mack & Jack 0.10 %
Weruva Truluxe Meow Me A River 1.30 %
Weruva Truluxe Glam 'N Punk 1.00%
Weruva Truluxe Quick 'N Quirky 0.50%
Weruva Truluxe Pretty In Pink 0.00 %
Weruva Marbella Paella 1.00%
Weruva Polynesian BBQ 0.00 %
Weruva Outback Grill 0.60 %
Wysong Beef au Jus* 0.90 %
Wysong Turkey au Jus* 0.70 %
IMPORTANT: foods marked * are NOT complete foods & NOT be fed exclusively

Data calculated on basis of dry matter analysis (DMA).
You can’t compare information on cans or on most manufacturers'
websites with information here. Please read about dry matter analysis
& various factors you need to consider when choosing a food here.
(The Different Ways of Assessing Food Content
http://www.felinecrf.org/food_data_tables.htm )
Hope this helps Ann H.

 

since you have a male cat....
I'd try to avoid all the fish flavors.... IF you can. ( mine won't let me)
because of the urinary issues...


I like this list for low phosphorus.... created for another cat here on site....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...13IwWZ-sFcg-wQQuLiliklP5Y/edit#gid=1160489850

 

If you're looking for foods that are low carb and low phosphorus here is the link to Tanya's CKD page for U.S. canned foods. Just make sure the carbs are under 10%. The link to Dr. Pierson's food list is here. Generally keep the phosphorus DM % under 2%.

I've been combing over these pages again myself as my cat, who was eating the same two Friskies special diet versions as your cat, staged a canned food strike because of the repetition. My cat also can't have fish (BG spiking) so I spent quite a bit of time today in the canned cat food aisle reading can labels, but he did eat the new food I brought home (hooray!).

 

This thread is just the kind of discussion folks could be having on a Food Forum, if/when that can be set up on FDMB.
See TT thread, link below:
Food Links

Will post a link to this thread in the TT thread, so we can start to keep this kind of info in one place.

Eliz

 

So what did you end up buying?
My cat will not eat the food with added water..he will drink the water and leave the little pieces of meat behind like its to much work to grab it.
he seems to like the big chunks of meat now the come in the gravy shred or filets.
Were now at 2 units twice a day and still hitting 450 bg preshot.
i havent been able to fill in the sheet on here because there is a new baby in the house but i will do it.

 

Doses are adjusted based on the nadir, the lowest glucose level post-shot. Based on the mid-cycle tests you have gotten, you are safe to increase by 0.5 units to a total of 2 units per shot.