? Jade amps 155...+2 105... STILL DROPPING +2.5 ..80!!

WHY!!!!!?????? I gave her .75 units (.25 less than usual) and shes dropping!! I'm giving her MC food (9%) now and hoping that'll make a difference as I'm leaving for work in an hour and a half. I'm at a loss here.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/jade-amps-146-no-shot-long-night.197609/#post-2211588

 

You may just have a diver for a kitty and maybe she just needs less juice! Hopefully that that 9% food helps keep her up and just surfing.

 

I’ll retest her 2 more times before I go. How long does this food stay in her system? If I get her back up, can I have a relatively stress free 8 hours of work?

 

And as of last night and this morning I’ve gone down .25 unit ...

 

Also, I’m gonna give her a bit more food at +3 and leave some out for her.

 

Giving a small amount of gravy...
have to go to work at 2:45!!

 

Are you able to call in a little late today?
I have to leave for a vet appointment in about 15 minutes, so can't stay on with you.
If I were in your shoes and had to go to work, I would leave out plenty of food, and try to get home at "lunch" or have someone (a neighbor in my case) check in on her. She'll probably be fine and eat if she needs to. I just know how scary it is at first when you are not used to these lower numbers.

 

I’m sure trying!!!

 

Jill, deep breath... 80 is good and safe.
I'll stay on with you if you need a company.

@Jill Hollister

 

Thank you!!! It’s a good number, yes. But not like this...

 

You can try reaching Wendy&Neko they might be around

@Wendy&Neko

 

One thing to help your nerves if you have to go to work, is at least that skipped shot reduced the depot a little.

 

If you have to leave, you can also give Jade a good amount of carbs to keep her safe while you're gone.

@Dyana - I think she already shot.

 

She’s up to 107 ... how long does this high carb gravy stay in her system?

 

it's ok.
The 9% you fed in AM is actually LC.
You can mix it with gravy food - when you feed her at +3.

Trouble with gravy MC alone is that it elevates BG fast and then leaves the system and a cat can drop again.
Gravy + high LC, such 9% = good combo to start working right away gravy part and good solid 9% food to sustain her.

 

was it gravy alone?
maybe out in 40-60 min.
if along with solid part of that HC - could be several hours or longer.
how many carbs?

 

I'd check her again at 2:30 (if you have to leave at 2:45)

If she's still doing OK, leave her some more of the 9% and go to work

If she's dropping again, add some gravy food to the 9%

Just leave down enough food so that IF she needs it, she'll have it.....Almost all cats will go looking for food if they're dropping low

 

sorry, but your SS says that 80 was taken at +3.
Can you move it to the cellfor +2?
so it read like "105 @+2, 80 @+2.5.

 

I haven’t skipped a shot for a few day.

 

You have "no" in the U column for yesterday morning (6/28)

 

amps 155...This morning for breakfast was FF pate..less than usual as I was trying to do something new and feed her a bit of bit of slightly higher (6%) mixed with a bit of MC (9%) mixed in at +2 (she was at 105) tested at +2.5 and she was at 80. Fed her some MC (9%) mixed with a tiny bit of gravy(15%) and then a tablespoon more of just gravy at +3 she is at 108. I'm home for another hour and wanna know when I can feel that she is safe for the remainder of the afternoon/evening. And should I keep feeding her small amounts and of which food? @Tanya and Ducia

 

right right....sorry..frazzeled!!

 

My days are becoming a blur....

 

I wish I could get a handle on this....I really didn't expect this sort of day today.

 

Please try to keep your spreadsheet updated. It really helps us

I'd test about 15 minutes before you leave …..if she's still in nice safe numbers, just leave her some low carb food and go

If she drops again, give her some more of the mix (gravy +9%) and leave down some extra of her regular food for later

Don't feed her any more right now....108 is nice and safe and we need to know if she continues to go up or starts to go back down again before you leave

 

hold on to food for now. The +3 is 108, great but with gravy.
Test again in 45 m if lower than 108 offer 2 teaspoons of 15% - meat and gravy mixed with 2 teaspoons of 9% food and retest a Cris suggested at 2:30, 15 min before leaving andpost the result here

 

If you have a min take the 911 off your post before you leave.

I sympathize with you. Most of my days are "Unexpected" also!

Remember to Breathe "take air into the lungs and then expel it, especially as a regular physiological process."

Hang in there

 

I just suggested to mix 15% and 9% if lower than +3 108.
She was lowering before at +4, that's why.
Do you agree
@Chris & China

 

Ok to all those things... I’m not going to leave for work until 3:30.. maybe 4:00 if things aren’t improving. And I will update my sS in a moment. Kinda running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get ready and tend to Jade and check this board..

 

Her last test was 108 @ +3

 

+3.5 is 112 going to update the SS now.

 

I would offer to eat now 2 t 9% + 1 t 15% gravy an meat together, make sure she has finished it, and then leave out another Tablespoon of 9% with water added to it.

 

I just updated my SS...

 

he AMPS 155, +2 105 and the last entry 80 @+3? That's what I see now in SS.
I thought there were other reads...

 

Nice job on treating your kitteh. Also nice job on keeping the spreadsheet updated. It is your spreadsheet, but you may want to consider putting the comments in the right-most column instead of the BG cells. It will make the sheet easier to read.

 

I made a note to look in the comment section for full details....

 

OK, so it is like:
AMPS 155
+2 105,
+2.5 80,
+3 108,
+3.5 112.

I would do as I posted in #32 if you are leaving now.

Even if you stay in later today leaving the food out as if you were going out will show how she does with the food left out - will she eat all at once, or will she be eating it later on. The 112 is safe and nice. If you are staying in longer you can test her before leaving and then feed her. If she lower than 112 - add a teaspoon of 15% to 9%. If even or higher - just 9%.

(it is wonderful cycle, if only you won;'t have to leave..)

 

She almost all of ot and I will test her again in 30 minutes..(+4.15)

 

if she's surfing on 9% now, I wouldn't add the 15%

Just leave down enough food so IF she needs it, she'll have it....but it looks like she's an "early nadir" cat (until she changes her mind....LOL)

 

Checking again in 15 minutes. and leaving in 30. I’ll leave some 9% out . Both cats will eat it...

 

+4.5 is 170...left 9% food out and off to work I go!!

 

well done you! - and awesome numbers, Jade!

 

Gratitude is an understatement!! Thank you guys so very very much!!!!!

 

I can’t help but worry about what’s happening while I’m at work. Up to 170 @+ 4 and 9% carb food out is good... right??

 

Yes. It looks okay.
I used to write a little prayer on a sticky note that I placed in front of me at work, something like "God Bless J.D., Please keep him in safe numbers for him, today.". It helped me. Did you leave lots of food out?

 

Thank you. I did. A big bowl of 9%

 

On your days off, it's good to see how he eats when she needs to. That will reassure you.

 

She eats ! Always!!

 

Good. If you need to do it again, I would leave more food than you think she would normally eat out, just to be sure.

 

It was a pretty big bowl. A big can of Friskies. Not the HUGE can..

 

I used to worry all the time, everyday, all day but as u get used to seeing the number and what they normally do with them I promise it will get easier, I have to leave for work at 7:15am I shoot bella at 5am I test again at 7 to see what he is doing with it, it just takes time to get used to it, your doing a great job

 

My problem is that she’s sooooo sporadic with her #s

 

I would put the BG numbers in the spreadsheet under the appropriate + hours, and the rest of the info in the comment section. We've been hard wired here to see patterns in colours/numbers on the cells.

I see a lot of improvement the last couple of days. Looks like she's settling down, which is a good thing. She's not going as high as she used to.

 

High doesn’t worry me like low does.

 

And I’m pretty new and under extreme stress when I was doing my SS sheet today. I’m doing the best I can. I’ll learn as I go,... I’m really trying.

 

No rush, just in your own time on the SS.

You are right to be concerned about low numbers. In general (but I am talking about unpredicatble cats), the lower the preshot, the flatter the cycle. Which makes it more predictable. However, again it's something you learn over time, which is how Jade uses the insulin. For as new as you are, you are doing a fantastic job.

 

Thank you!!! I hope I didn’t come across snippy!!

 

Nope, just stressed. Been there, done that.

 

The benefit of all this testing is learning how Jade responds to both foods and insulin.....As you gain more experience, you'll start trying different things to see what works best for her.

Like today you went with 9%+15% when she dropped to 80.....Next time, maybe try just the 9% and test again in 20-30 ....IF she continues to drop, you'll know that maybe extra carbs are necessary, but you may find that 9% would have kept her right in the 80-90 range

It's all trial and error at the beginning. I assure you none of us started shooting lower numbers and we all panicked and over-fed the first time our cats dropped too low!

The first time China dropped below 50, I was still quite new. I knew to give her some Karo/honey/syrup but didn't know how much!!

So I dumped about a cup full of pancake syrup into a bowl and gave it to her (she liked it!!!)

Needless to say, she went up...and up...and up!!

I learned later that I was supposed to give her a drop or two.....not half the bottle!!!

 

So ... do you think she’s ok?? I worry that the error part of trial and error will kill her when I’m not home.

 

Hi Jill
You're doing great! It took me a LOT longer to catch on.
I started a conversation with you. If you go all the way to the top on the left & click on conversations I think you'll be able to read it.

 

Yes!! I’ll check as soon as I get home! Thank you!!

 

Headed home... fingers crossed. And since she’s dropping numbers, is she getting too much even being reduced from 1 unit to .75? Should I try just .5? @Chris & China and is her number ok to shoot at? Or is this food induced? @Wendy&Neko@Dyana

 

339 @ + 10!! I’ll take it!!

 

I don't know whether to give her her shot when her # is high due to feeding her high carb foods after a quick drop this afternoon? She's due in 30 minutes...


http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...05-still-dropping-2-5-80.197660/#post-2211702

 

I think this is probably due to going a little overboard on the food, as well as probably some "bouncing" going on because of the fast drop from 155 to 80

On your spreadsheet, you need to keep the test numbers in the actual cells. Look at China's 2015 spreadsheet (7/5/15....the PM cycle)

See how I have 2 tests entered in the same cell? A 55 in the +3 cell and then a 45 at +3.75....Since those two numbers are different color codes (one dark green, one light green), I chose the color with the most significance….in this case, the light green since that's a "too low" number)

When you enter more than just a number into a cell, you will have to choose the color code manually. Just enter your numbers (like 105 @+2, 80 @+2.5) and then go to the top of the spreadsheet and click on the icon that looks like a small can of paint …..choose the most significant color (in this case, dark green for the 80 since that's more important right now than the blue 105)

 

The HC food was several hours ago correct?

Is her current number food influenced (any food in last 2 hrs)?

 

Ahhhhhh..yes I will work on that asap. Thank you!!
So, should I skip her shot? Or proceed with .75? I'd hate to have another bad cycle.

 

Remember, only 1 new post per day......You can edit your subject line as you need to.

Doesn't matter what she was fed today as long as she hasn't eaten for the 2 hours before shot time.

Shoot the .75

 

Hard to believe I had to go back 3 years to find a spreadsheet where I actually tested China more than once in the same hour.....LOL

 

Nothing in last 2 hours, no. Unless she nibbled a bit right before I got home ( I dont think she did tho)

 

Thats good tho!! Thank you for searching the archives! I know I'm all over the place on this, I'm learning,I think. I had changed the title only, but panicked when I didn't get a response and it's getting so close to shoot time, that's why I posted a new one.

 

I will test her again shortly and make sure she's at an okay number, then work on fixing my spreadsheet. I was so frantic earlier, I just did what I could to get the info up at all.

 

It's been 2 hours. Should I expect a drop as opposed to a rise at +2? Or expectations should be the same as usual? Up, then a slow decline?

 

Not in the last 2 hours, no. And Hi !Neighbor in Chicago!

 

But your title still says the same thing it's said since earlier today.....when we're scanning the forums, if there's not a significant change, we're probably not going to notice right away.

If you keep your subject line updated with just the Date/Cats name, AMPS ##, + numbers, PMPS ##, you'll still have plenty of room to add something like "NEED ADVICE SOON" …..Once someone answers your question, you go back and edit it out again and just leave the basics.

 

We'll both know in 2 hours......LOL

If there's some bouncing going on, this upcoming cycle could look nothing like what you're "used to"

ETA...with the fast drop (or even just the drop into lower numbers that her body isn't used to anymore) her liver could have panicked and released stored sugars and hormones to bring her back up (bouncing)….it can take up to 3 days for those hormones to clear out, so when a cat is bouncing, the "rules" don't necessarily matter. (not that they ever really did anyway....cats are notorious for not playing by any rules)

 

PMPS 288...what should I expect so I don't go off the deep end??

 

I think I did have that, to be honest. Then I think I changed it, then did a new thread.

 

and I was doing it from my Iphone as opposed to my computer which makes it more difficult.

 

This. Sucks.

 

It's too soon to "expect" anything

Just shoot at the normal time and get a +2

I may not be online late tonight, but if you run into trouble, just make sure your subject line is crystal clear that you need help soon

 

Here’s how neurotic I’ve become..all marked with carb count!

 

Today's threads have been merged.

 

Thank you!!!!! I’m sorry I’m not catching on more quickly!!

 

That's a great idea though!!

We tell a lot of people to take a magic marker and put the carb % on the can so it's easy to grab what you need quickly

When you're in the middle of a panic, it's no time to start checking the food chart to make sure you're feeding what you intend to feed!

 

Don't worry. You'll catch on. One thread a day makes it easier for others to help you when you need it.

 

Yep..all marked with Sharpies!!

 

I think I fixed our SS with the exception of one day!!

 

I would put the 80 in the +2 cell since it was 80 @ +2.5

Color it green instead of the blue (for the 105) because the 80 is the more "important" number

In the +3 cell, you'd have 108 @+3, 112 @+3.5

In the +4 cell, you'd have 170 @+4.5

 

Ok..I'l try again tomorrow. I'm starting to get anxious about our +2 test coming up soon. I'll put the results up right away and hope that you're still up and can maybe help me to understand if it's good news or bad news.

 

Great job today!
The forum and all the rules and lingo took me a while to catch on to as well, you will get there

Breathe! Jade is safe. Let's see how she likes this .75 dose. I suspect you both will do very well.

 

297 @ +2 Woohoooo! Small victories are becoming such a relief!! Goodnight!!! And again...THANK YOU!!!!!!

 

Been there done that, you freak out and then you freak out cause we gave to much, I’m sure we have all done it, I take it with a grain of salt now, I can fix the lows, I HATE the highs

 

Have u ever thought about getting a autofeeder, bella has one that is microchip, he wears a collar and if he walks up to his bowl it opens, if bella is lower in the am when I leave I put some MC in his bowl, makes me feel better
Those numbers were beautiful yesterday!!!! You want those dark greens

 

I just bought an auto one...just need to set it up. I love your photo of Bella, He compliments your walls and decor beautifully, or the other way around. Gorgeous Bella Fella.

 

Hi Jill
You need to start a new thread with today's date.
Hope your day is going well?

 

Will do and I sent u a PM....

 

I have done this in the past ,especially when I was just beginning. It DOES save time and a little less panick.

Glad your kitty is safe