Nikko has been on insulin (lantus) for one week now - help with my spreadsheet?

Discussion in 'Lantus / Basaglar (glargine) and Levemir (detemir)' started by AmandaJean, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. AmandaJean

    AmandaJean New Member

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    Hi everyone, still very new to this and need to do a proper curve this weekend.

    Based on my current spreadsheet, does anyone have any observations for me? I feel like between the lantus and low carb wet food, Nikko's BG has really dropped from when the vet first tested him. Is this normal? I'm getting yellows and blues already. This makes me think he's doing really well on the new diet.

    With him under 200 before his PM shot tonight I'm definitely a little nervous. Been studying the rest of your spreadsheets and it looks like at a "high blue" I see some of you lowering the dose so that's what I'm going to do tonight to rest easy. Instead of 1.00 units he will be getting 0.5.

    Hope this is good - any insight appreciated - thank you so much!
     
  2. Wendy&Neko

    Wendy&Neko Well-Known Member

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    Hello and welcome over here. Yes, Nikko is seeing some nice response to the Lantus. Take a read of the yellow starred Sticky Notes. You will also want to review the dosing methods Sticky Note and see which of the two methods there would suit you best. We determine how to change doses based on how low the Lantus dose takes the cat. Those are typically somewhere in the middle of the cycle, so getting mid cycle tests when you can will really be helpful.
     
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  3. JoyBee&Ravan

    JoyBee&Ravan Well-Known Member

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    Hello Amanda :)
    I'm very glad you came to the Lantus Forum! And yes, Nikko is doing better because of his diet (no Dry Food) & the Lantus.
    It's OK you lowered the dose but it would be "BETTER" if you had posted early with a ? mark & asked for dosing advice. I do not give advice on dosing & I've been here a year.

    If you follow the advice of the Experienced people here on "how to dose the insulin" it's possible Nikko just might go into remission. It's always better to ask for advice before you change the dose.You don't have enough data to make correct decisions yet. I don't think you understand yet how the insulin works.

    It takes a lot of reading & testing before you can really know what to do with the dose. Insulin is a very powerful Hormone. Lowering the dose is safe and they might have told you to lower it! But it's better to get some advice before you make a decision on the dosing. OK? It's better to ask first,to be sure.

    You can look at the spreadsheets but you shouldn't do what someone else did . EVERY CAT is DIFFERENT! You are here on the Lantus Forum to get Expert advice. Please ask for help before you change Nikko's dose.

    Nikko's SS is better! We'll see in the next few days what his Bg does on the lower dose. I hope he continues to get good test results! Remember the insulin takes a few days to show us how he will react to the new dose.Lantus is a SLOW acting insulin.

    I'll check back later to see any new test results. :bighug:
     
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  4. AmandaJean

    AmandaJean New Member

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    Oh, sorry I'm not officially changing his dosing! Just the other day you seemed concerned he had a blue number and that was hours after his shot - so I didn't want to give him too much insulin and send him into green. It was more like a precaution at this point as I took the reading right before shot time and didn't think I could get an answer here ASAP. Based on the SLGS method and Nikko being on insulin for 1 week now, I am feeling pretty confident about that decision

    If anyone can confirm on that? It is from the yellow stickies on this forum. I know I don't have a ton of readings yet - unfortunately I can't take time off work and still afford the insulin and supplies. I can take more readings on weekends and the occasional sick day.
     
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  5. AmandaJean

    AmandaJean New Member

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    Thank you! used that as my bed time reading
     
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  6. JoyBee&Ravan

    JoyBee&Ravan Well-Known Member

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    I just think in the beginning it's best to at least "try" to get advice before changing the dose.

    I was concerned seeing a blue # because that means she can drop even lower Possibly even to a dangerously LOW #! A lot of cats drop the lowest during the night. Because you hardly test at all at night & you wouldn't know if she was too low.

    It's important to get as much data as you can. We all set our clocks & get up during the night to test. It only takes several minutes.
    Good Luck to you & Nikko. ;)
     
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  7. AmandaJean

    AmandaJean New Member

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    I didn't mean to sound like that at all. I mentioned in my intro post but unfortunately this has happened at a pretty bad time in my life and I have been hospitalized twice, myself in the past 2 weeks. I'm trying to learn how to test within minutes, and trying to read and follow the pages of stickies I find here. I don't think I'm cut out for this.
     
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  8. Erin & Scott

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    I'm not sure that any of us felt that we were cut out for this at first - but this is what life has given us so we learn to roll with the punches. It is a lot of information to take in all at once, and it's understandable that you might have a hard time sorting it all out. Hang in there, eventually it will all start to make sense.

    For now, when you get a chance, could you please go to your Google docs and share your spreadsheet? When I click on the link it's telling me that it's not published.
     
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  9. JoyBee&Ravan

    JoyBee&Ravan Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry you're having problems.
    Nikko is just starting to get some good #'s. It's possible she could go into remission.I hope you don't give up on Nikko. She needs you now.
     
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  10. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Well-Known Member

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    Amanda

    First, welcome to FDMB. Second, I’m so very sorry for your health issues and that now, when you should be concentrating on yourself, you get the diabetes diagnosis. I’m also sorry there has not been more empathy here for your situation. It doesn’t really matter what others are going through at this time because what we aren’t doing is walking in your shoes. FD can be a challenge to deal with when you are healthy but if you are not well, it becomes even more stressful. There is a steep learning curve so pat yourself on the back that you’ve done what you have so far:
    • started testing
    • feeding LC wet food
    • determining SLGS is the best for Nikko
    In a month, you’ll look back and see all that you have been able to learn and do for Nikko. Sometimes it’s just baby steps and that’s enough.

    I also cannot see the SS but I can fix that for you since I developed this latest rendition that we’ve been using for several years. I’ll send you a private message as I’ll need to have you allow me editing rights. Check your inbox in the upper right corner and when you see a number, click on it and there will be a message from me.

    Once I can see his SS, I’ll be happy to help you with some suggestions on dosing.
     
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  11. Bear & Lora

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    Welcome Amanda.
    First let me say good job!
    You are an amazing person to take the initiative to join FDMB and search for the knowledge to help your sweet Kitty get better.
    Remember to take a moment for yourself and just take some deep breathes.
    Things are going to improve.

    You have come to the right place there are some very kind, compassionate, experienced people on this forum who are more than willing to give you guidance.
    I am so glad Marje noticed that you asked for help with your Spreadsheet plus bonus Marje is the one that developed the Spreadsheet we use on FDMB.
    Wendy & Neko have been invaluable to Bear and I too.

    If you ever need some encouragement or possibly just to vent some of your anxiety you are welcome to PM me.

    Oh yeah, not to beat a dead horse but remember (Take some deep breathes). :D
     

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