Thank u, Kris !!! And yes, I heard Robin Williams when I read ur post...am I right ???Good morning Missouri! (movie reference - anyone??) Good advice from Linda. You're becoming an ace at the monitor/steer thing Beth.I'll be in and out today but will check in when/if I can.
Thanks so much, Linda...Christmas day forecast here is uncharacteristic 60 and rainI'm going to be in and out today too but between us we'll keep tabs on you and Elmo. My morning will unfortunately be yet another snow cleanup but just a little one thank goodness! Sheesh! This has been absolutely ridiculous this year and shows no sign of letting up yet. More snow expected this week and weekend.
And of course I am now running out of salt and kitty litter and have to pick up more pet meter strips for my sugar so errands to be run after I do my new winter fitness routine!![]()
You are correct, Beth!!Thank u, Kris !!! And yes, I heard Robin Williams when I read ur post...am I right ???
It's very snowy here today but in a gentle way. I call these "Winnie the Pooh" days ("The more it snows tiddley pom ...").Thanks so much, Linda...Christmas day forecast here is uncharacteristic 60 and rain....wish so much could take some of your snow off ur hands
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Hmmm ... kitty litter and FS test strips are on my list too. Seniors day at Shoppers - 20% off those strips!I'm going to be in and out today too but between us we'll keep tabs on you and Elmo. My morning will unfortunately be yet another snow cleanup but just a little one thank goodness! Sheesh! This has been absolutely ridiculous this year and shows no sign of letting up yet. More snow expected this week and weekend.
And of course I am now running out of salt and kitty litter and have to pick up more pet meter strips for my sugar so errands to be run after I do my new winter fitness routine!![]()
Oh Winnie the PoohIt's very snowy here today but in a gentle way. I call these "Winnie the Pooh" days ("The more it snows tiddley pom ...").
Seniors day at Shoppers - 20% off those strips
The price of AT strips is too much for my budget too Linda. The FS strips in AT meter read consistently very slightly higher. If I'm ever in doubt I repeat a test with an AT strip. However, I understand your reluctance to deal with higher reading strips when Little Missy Menace decides to be tricky.Thanks for the heads up on the strips. I rarely go to Shoppers but I probably should pick some FS strips too as I really think I am going to switch over to my FS meter as of the new year. I just can't stomach that massive price increase for the AT2 strips and with my volatile little one, I'm not sure I feel comfortable using FS strips in my AT2 if it sometimes reads higher rather than lower than an AT2 strip would. I've had my little one suddenly shoot me a 2.2 (40 US) on her AT2 and 1.9 (34 US) on FS meter IIRC so I'd rather the meter read low than high with her so I don't get lulled into any complacency of the seriousness of the situation. I'm gonna miss that AT meter though! The FS Lite doesn't beep as loudly to let me know the strip is filled and being smaller it's harder to see those little lines that show the strip is filling. Maybe I'll try to find a Freestyle Freedom Lite which is essentially the same as the AT2 as an Xmas present to myself and Menace!
I've wondered about this myself. In my opinion the protocols should include provisions for the AT meter. Carol (@Carol & Murphy ) has said more than once that she misses using her AT meter and went to a human meter in order to post on the L/L forum.I found it so frustrating that reduction points in the protocols here don't address the AT2 meter at all
If you go to Teasel's SS, Beth, I have a separate page of BG comparisons done very methodically. See for yourself.Love reading you two discussing AT strips and meters. I just have to shut my eyes and order AT strips for now so will watch eagerly as you both forge ahead of me. One change at a time . Would love if you could post some real time readings of AT vs FS so I can see what you mean by "a little higher".....
AMPS....182..shot .25
+1.5.......134
No, no....love reading two of you discussing things like this....like sitting in on a Jedi CouncilSorry to hijack your thread, Beth ...
If you mean switch to a human meter it's because that's the reference meter for which the Lantus protocols were written - ie., taking into account that human meters read lower. They've adapted all the rules about when to increase, decrease, hold, treat a hypo around the readings a human meter will give.Bummer, I will have to switch on Lantus? Wonder why....
Hi praise ...No, no....love reading two of you discussing things like this....like sitting in on a Jedi Council![]()
It's not a linear relationship, mathematically speaking. The difference is greater at high numbers and less at lower numbers so you can't really convert. You use one system or the other and go from there. It's like using Celsius or Fahrenheit. You think in terms of one or the other and don't convert.Would save a boat load of money but cause a mental shift for sure...so human meters read lower...Elmo's 182 this morning would have been.........? On a human meter ???? Approximately?
I'll check for you later Beth. Gotta run out now and get my act together. I hate shopping this time of year with all the crowds so I procrastinate and end up paying for it!Would save a boat load of money but cause a mental shift for sure...so human meters read lower...Elmo's 182 this morning would have been.........? On a human meter ???? Approximately?
Oh I know.... I stay away from all but grocery store like the plague this time of year. Can feel the tension/stress/excitement which doesn't set happily with we HobbitsI'll check for you later Beth. Gotta run out now and get my act together. I hate shopping this time of year with all the crowds so I procrastinate and end up paying for it!
Mogs, you have made me laugh out loud once again!!!
That's what I use, Linda, the Freestyle Freedom Lite. I didn't realize the AT2 strips were going up in price, and I am so disappointed to hear about the new pet meter - I had high hopes for that one. I continue to hate the human meter, and long for my AT2 every day. Just a note, you don't have to use a human meter on the L&L forum, but it really complicates things not to (as far as getting advice goes)Maybe I'll try to find a Freestyle Freedom Lite which is essentially the same as the AT2 as an Xmas present to myself and Menace
Hi Carol....so good to get more input !!! This switch is a biggie for my like-to-keep -things -the same /simple preferred lifestyleThat's what I use, Linda, the Freestyle Freedom Lite. I didn't realize the AT2 strips were going up in price, and I am so disappointed to hear about the new pet meter - I had high hopes for that one. I continue to hate the human meter, and long for my AT2 every day. Just a note, you don't have to use a human meter on the L&L forum, but it really complicates things not to (as far as getting advice goes)
I completely agree with this. I meant it more as an example of thinking in one system or the other. Americans rarely think in Celsius when judging what coat to wear on a cool day and vice versa. Maybe it was a bad example ... i was thinking of the conversion formula even as I typed that post.Kris, I have to disagree that pet to human meter is like Fahrenheit to Celsius. There is a formula to fairly accurately translate between those scales. Not so between the human/pet meter algorithms.
I can see a person just going with the pet meter or other of their choice - once they're experienced - and approaching the whole thing empirically, logging results and analyzing for him/herself. It means you don't have a forum to back you up but we learn as we go with FD. I would never suggest this for a newbie.Kris, I have to disagree that pet to human meter is like Fahrenheit to Celsius. There is a formula to fairly accurately translate between those scales. Not so between the human/pet meter algorithms.
Carol and I were musing over the conundrum of pet vs. human meter reference numbers and while I think I have amassed enough data to be able to provide a ball park range for reductions using the pet meter, it is just a range. There are no exacts because of the scale difference and meter variance allowances. Trying to factor in that the US allows a 20% human meter variance but Canada allows only 15% and the pet meter has a 20% variance in both countries is impossible. To add to the mystery, there are so many human meters out there each with their own little idiosyncracies in accuracy and precision that unless someone were to re-run the Roomp and Rand research using pet meters to establish references in ranges other than low, there will never be any precise pet meter reference numbers and it becomes a "fly by wire" and "know thy own cat" proposition when trying to follow TR and SLGS albeit to a lesser degree. We were discussing recommended reduction numbers for pet meters a while back and everyone thought my number recommendations were too high only to find out, they weren't, at least in that particular case. So while I can offer suggestions based on my own research and experience, my numbers will never be accepted as "gospel".
My biggest question is why Roomp & Rand didn't do side by side research using both types of meters when their documentation outright recommends use of a pet meter. I assume it's because most folks use human meters but it still boggles my mind! And to boot, with the cost of pet strips going up, the chances of pet meters ever becoming the norm is pretty much NIL. I got a sample of another make of pet meter that has cheaper strips and used it to dual test against the AT2 meter and was not impressed at all. It's clumsy (Ok personal preference acknowledged), the strips start up the meter without being properly inserted, it takes a much bigger drop of blood than the AT2 such that strips got wasted, I've been unable to get any very low reading comparisons because Menace seems more reluctant to give up her blood when she is running low. The final decision maker on the cheaper meter was that it read a bit low in higher ranges and a bit high in lower ranges which is not what I want my meter to be doing. I was ever so hopeful that it might be a cheaper alternative but it's not in my view.
I SO get this!Oh I know.... I stay away from all but grocery store like the plague this time of year. Can feel the tension/stress/excitement which doesn't set happily with we Hobbits![]()
No, it made sense to me...Celsius makes no sense to me, even when understandably compared...I'm always like " Whattttt???I completely agree with this. I meant it more as an example of thinking in one system or the other. Americans rarely think in Celsius when judging what coat to wear on a cool day and vice versa. Maybe it was a bad example ... i was thinking of the conversion formula even as I typed that post.
It means you don't have a forum to back you up but we learn as we go with FD. I would never suggest this for a newbie.