Info Dr. Pierson - new Food Chart

Dr. @Lisa dvm
I just wanted to say that this list has been a god sent... I don't know how we would have figured this out without the list... thank you thank you thank you!!!
 
Thank you so much, Dr. Pierson! I trust your list! I was given one on another site which listed very few options. Yours have any more options for my diabetic kitty (my avatar) and my stage 1 CKD kitty (who also has seizures).
 
Thank you a tons!! I'll be looking into switching to a more budget friendly food soon enough when my cloudcat is stable and settled! so this will be greatly appreciated!!!
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
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Hi Dr Lisa,
My cat Valentin is 17 years old he has kidney disease and was diagnosed as diabetic in may 2017, after home testing him and giving him insulin, he has not needed insulin since June 19th, I hope he is in remission. I am no longer feeding him dry food except as a treat and he begs all day for dry food, he now eats canned food Hills KD and Royal Canin Renal Support, but looking at your food chart which is by the way a work of art, I noticed that what he is eating has a content in carbohydrate of over 10% , and since he is a diabetic cat also ( maybe in remission) he should eat food with a low carbohydrate content. What should I do? What kind of food should he eat since he has kidney problems and is also diabetic. Is there a type of food with low protein content for renal disease and low carbohydrate content for diabetic disease? What is the maximum % of protein content should his food contain for his renal problems?
He does not eat a lot, how many calories should he eat per day, he weighs 9.6 pounds, should he eat a whole can of 5.5 ounces per day?
Do you consider that he could be in remission? I read that after 14 days without insulin a diabetic cat could be in remission.
Gigi from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
 
Gigi and Valentin said:
Hi Dr Lisa,
My cat Valentin is 17 years old he has kidney disease and was diagnosed as diabetic in may 2017, after home testing him and giving him insulin, he has not needed insulin since June 19th, I hope he is in remission. I am no longer feeding him dry food except as a treat and he begs all day for dry food, he now eats canned food Hills KD and Royal Canin Renal Support, but looking at your food chart which is by the way a work of art, I noticed that what he is eating has a content in carbohydrate of over 10% , and since he is a diabetic cat also ( maybe in remission) he should eat food with a low carbohydrate content. What should I do? What kind of food should he eat since he has kidney problems and is also diabetic. Is there a type of food with low protein content for renal disease and low carbohydrate content for diabetic disease? What is the maximum % of protein content should his food contain for his renal problems?
He does not eat a lot, how many calories should he eat per day, he weighs 9.6 pounds, should he eat a whole can of 5.5 ounces per day?
Do you consider that he could be in remission? I read that after 14 days without insulin a diabetic cat could be in remission.
Gigi from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
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Here is a link to a chart that lists food that are appropriate for diabetic cats with kidney issues: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/112NvvzgxEBOtkb42rA0XR8GeShw9xXs9kccf9-olK7I/pubhtml

As far are if your cat is in remission and how many calories he should eat, you can post on the Main Forum to get responses to your questions: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/forums/feline-health-the-main-forum.28/ This thread is really just for the food chart.
 
Thank you thank you thank you! If you ever need assistance with anything excel/sheets related I'm happy to do it.
 
Dr. Pierson, Thank you so much for your work on this food chart and for your website. We are going to try going with the homemade food recipe that you suggest, but we also want to be up-to-speed on the canned food options (and plan to give canned food periodically) so that we would have canned food as an option in emergencies.
 
Squalliesmom said:
Thank you SO MUCH!!! We are all eternally indebted to you for the hard work you put in building not one, but TWO, food charts! Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Hello I remember you from before I joined the site about a year ago but had trouble logging back in and had to renew my membership or signing in. I used to be under Karen and Govi now I'm Govies mom. The reason I'm reaching out to you is because you were helpful to me and I remembered your name! What I need help with right now and I'm going to do an SS but I want to take my cat off dry food and I am a follow the Leader type person I need to know how to do it cuz I have two other cats that are not diabetic and they all love their dry. Now they do eat ff pate with no problem I just need to know how to take away this Purina DM for good thanks Karen
 
Govies mom said:
Hello I remember you from before I joined the site about a year ago but had trouble logging back in and had to renew my membership or signing in. I used to be under Karen and Govi now I'm Govies mom. The reason I'm reaching out to you is because you were helpful to me and I remembered your name! What I need help with right now and I'm going to do an SS but I want to take my cat off dry food and I am a follow the Leader type person I need to know how to do it cuz I have two other cats that are not diabetic and they all love their dry. Now they do eat ff pate with no problem I just need to know how to take away this Purina DM for good thanks Karen
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Hi Karen! Welcome (back) to FDMB!

Are you home testing your sweet Govi? You need to be home testing before transitioning to low carb food, to keep Govi safe from potential hypos. You may find that Govi's insulin dose needs to be lowered.

The best and safest way to switch from high carb dry to low carb canned is to do it gradually, over a period of time. This is easiest on kitty tummies, and safer for diabetic kitties where you need to be alert to any BG or behavioral changes.
 
Yes I'm still trying to learn how to do a spreadsheet but bar that I do home test last week she read a 52 where she's always been around 2:50 she was getting three units twice a day Lantus and now we're down to just started a half of unit once a day and she's at 2:10 I apologize for not having a spreadsheet I'm just getting back into this and learning how to do it the reason I was asking about transitioning from the dry toucan it's because she had got constipated two years ago and had to be manually evacuated which wasn't nice and she's been good since then using Miralax and or pumpkin I do not want that to happen again and last time I tried to switch from dry I felt her stools were getting hard so that's what I'm in the process of doing right now since that slight hypo scare last week
 
Gotcha. Okay, spreadsheet: first you need a google account, then follow these Instructions for Setting up a Spreadsheet. If you have difficulty with it, sing out, there are lots of people who can give you a hand with getting it set up (unfortunately, not me, I had to get help myself, lol). Once you have it set up, you'll see it's pretty easy to work with, really just data entry, but sometimes our method for entering times can be confusing; THIS should help explain it all.

I'm so glad you're home testing, that's great! What meter are you using? 52 is a very low number! Was that at the beginning, end, or nadir (lowest part) of the cycle?

I have a civvie who gets Miralax at every meal. I also add extra water to his food, since Miralax depletes moisture. Pumpkin is good, too! I would think she'd be less apt to have constipation issues on wet food than on dry.
 
Thank you Lisa!! Do you have anything for Nutro Max Cat 3oz cans? I looked under Max Cat and I looked under Nutro and could not find anything.... Thanks for your work
 
So great to see you Dr. Lisa! Wow wow wow on updating the list. Computers were supposed to save time but simple things always seem to take longer than they should. I was just thinking about that chart the other day and wondering where I would look if I ever needed it. Hope all is well with you. : )
 
thank you so much for this chart. my 10yr old sickly kitty was officially diagnosed with diabetes today and your list has made my job of going to buy various lower carb food tomorrow, in hopes to find one or two that my cat will eat and that the others will like too, a lot easier. sadly your list also made me see that the soulistic good fortune cans that is the only flavor that all my 8 older cats like is higher in carbs than i realized (17%) and i just finished giving a can of it to my diabetes cat an hour ago :(. so much to learn..
 
I want to tell you that I'm so happy and grateful for all you do for us and our for babies . Thank you so much for making this list. With this list ( and all the other information you provided) you have helped save 100's ( more then likely thousands ) of lives :kiss:
 
Putting the information here for anyone that may need it on Rawz Canned Cat Food.


Below are the figures you have requested. The figures are given on an “As Fed” (the contents as they are in the can) and “Dry Matter” (the contents when moisture is not factored into the equation) basis. Most veterinarians and nutritionists prefer Dry Matter figures for comparison, but I figured I would give you both just in case. You will notice that the carbohydrate levels are negative numbers. Whenever you see a
negative number, it just means that the percentage is almost negligible. This makes sense for the
cans since they are 96% meat – the only real carbohydrate source in RAWZ cans are the fenugreek
seeds, which have a very small amount of carbohydrates. And we only use a small amount of them,
so their carb contribution is quite small. Also, the figures I was given were rounded to the nearest
one hundredth. This could also explain why I might get a negative number for carbs – the other
figures (which are all subtracted from 100, as well as ash, to get the carbohydrate figure) may have
been slightly larger than shown, resulting in a negative number.


RAWZ 96% Chicken & Chicken Liver Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 12.35%
Fat: 9.5%
Fiber: 0.4%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.01%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 51.48%
Fat: 39.58%
Fiber: 1.66%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -0.07%

RAWZ 96% Turkey & Turkey Liver Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 13.15%
Fat: 9.26%
Fiber: 0.35%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.17%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 54.77%
Fat: 38.59%
Fiber: 1.44%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -0.68%

RAWZ 96% Salmon Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 12.28%
Fat: 10%
Fiber: 0.33%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.46%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 51.18%
Fat: 41.67%
Fiber: 1.39%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -1.96%


I have also received the following dry matter % on phosphorus.

RAWZ 96% Chicken & Chicken Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.41%

RAWZ 96% Turkey & Turkey Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.48%

Here are the other two recipes, just in case –
RAWZ 96% Beef & Beef Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 0.91%

RAWZ 96% Salmon Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.43%
 
Hello Dr. Lisa - Firstly, thank you for your tireless work on this site and compiling the food charts. I cannot tell you how much this information has helped in getting my sweet boy regulated AND in addition needing to find low phos foods for kidney issues. I have been looking on information regarding the Nutro foods. My boy loves the Natural Choice line. I had found an older spreadsheet from 2012 that has some of the Natural Choice and the Max Cat lines listed, but am concerned that these may be outdated and the recipes may have changed since then. I have tried contacting the company myself to no avail. They have given me mostly just "generic" information stating that I need to follow vet recommendations in feeding my pet. Is there a reason none of the Nutro Natural Choice or Max Cat lines are not listed on the newest food chart from 2017?

thank you for any light you can shed on this.

Vicki Tamborino and Rex
 
I'm still trying to get my kitties off canned and on to raw now. Honey likes it fairly well! She's my skinny IBD kitty with perfect labwork. She eats voraciously so I'm hoping to get all of them, especially her, off the bad canned stuff (fancy feast).
 
Ive had a look through this new spreadsheet....

WOW!! It must have taken you some time to sort out all of that info....What a fab person you are for doing so!!

Im based in the UK & cant find the food brand Im feeding Jack on the list (Wiskers 7+ wet food pouches meat/fish in jelly)

Is there a seperate list of world foods I could look at or will I need to calculate it myself?
I did find an old spreadsheet that included world foods & I recell seeing my food brand on there listed as low carb so continued to use it but just want to make double sure.

Thanks!
 
Just another thank you, Dr. Lisa. With the help of your food chart and the help of others here, our kitty is already in remission. I was using your chart, once again, as we were shopping today and I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your time and knowledge. It's greatly appreciated.
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...
I have just switched diets drastically for Nugget. She ate Purina One dry food almost exclusively, and now we have switched to Castor and Pollux Organix and Pristine diets. I bought the small 3 oz cans at Petco to see which flavors she prefers, and I'm glad you posted this and that I read it! I didn't realize how many more carbs there were in some of the flavors than others. I am still so very new to this and I am so worried about diet and if I am feeding Nugget enough, or the right thing. I was naively looking at calories (so that I can maintain her weight so no adjustments are necessary to her insulin dose), and not the percentage of carbs in the food.

Your chart is so detailed and comprehensive and is a great resource for me. Thank you very much!
 
Tracey&Jones said:
Putting the information here for anyone that may need it on Rawz Canned Cat Food.


Below are the figures you have requested. The figures are given on an “As Fed” (the contents as they are in the can) and “Dry Matter” (the contents when moisture is not factored into the equation) basis. Most veterinarians and nutritionists prefer Dry Matter figures for comparison, but I figured I would give you both just in case. You will notice that the carbohydrate levels are negative numbers. Whenever you see a
negative number, it just means that the percentage is almost negligible. This makes sense for the
cans since they are 96% meat – the only real carbohydrate source in RAWZ cans are the fenugreek
seeds, which have a very small amount of carbohydrates. And we only use a small amount of them,
so their carb contribution is quite small. Also, the figures I was given were rounded to the nearest
one hundredth. This could also explain why I might get a negative number for carbs – the other
figures (which are all subtracted from 100, as well as ash, to get the carbohydrate figure) may have
been slightly larger than shown, resulting in a negative number.


RAWZ 96% Chicken & Chicken Liver Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 12.35%
Fat: 9.5%
Fiber: 0.4%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.01%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 51.48%
Fat: 39.58%
Fiber: 1.66%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -0.07%

RAWZ 96% Turkey & Turkey Liver Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 13.15%
Fat: 9.26%
Fiber: 0.35%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.17%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 54.77%
Fat: 38.59%
Fiber: 1.44%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -0.68%

RAWZ 96% Salmon Pâté
As Fed-
Protein: 12.28%
Fat: 10%
Fiber: 0.33%
Moisture: 76%
Carbohydrates: -0.46%
Dry Matter-
Protein: 51.18%
Fat: 41.67%
Fiber: 1.39%
Moisture: 0.0%
Carbohydrates: -1.96%


I have also received the following dry matter % on phosphorus.

RAWZ 96% Chicken & Chicken Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.41%

RAWZ 96% Turkey & Turkey Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.48%

Here are the other two recipes, just in case –
RAWZ 96% Beef & Beef Liver Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 0.91%

RAWZ 96% Salmon Pâté
Dry Matter Phosphorus: 1.43%
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I just saw this list, i have never seen or heard of 'RAWS' cat food, i dont think it is in south Fla. I can get wet Friskies. I have their list ,with their listing of the best foods for diabetes. The FISH AND SHRIMP FEAST is 86% protein and 0% carbs. they have a list of like 15 others with LOW carbs and high protein,that are recommended for diabetes diets.
 
SORRY it is FANCY FEAST wet foods! Not Friskies. That is what i had her on and thats who makes the FISH AND SHRIMP FEAST wet. That is what i can get easily and she will eat it if I add water to it over and over,it is very dry,for a wet food, but ti is all fish and shrimp...thats it! So it is 'dryish'....no gravy. sorry for the mistake. NOT Friskies.....it is Fancy Feast.
 
Stan Bartlett said:
I just saw this list, i have never seen or heard of 'RAWS' cat food, i dont think it is in south Fla. I can get wet Friskies. I have their list ,with their listing of the best foods for diabetes. The FISH AND SHRIMP FEAST is 86% protein and 0% carbs. they have a list of like 15 others with LOW carbs and high protein,that are recommended for diabetes diets.
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It is fairly new. Pink labels. It is nice for IBD kitties as it doesn't use gums and is limited ingredients. It can be found in the specialty pet food stores.
 
Tracey&Jones said:
It is fairly new. Pink labels. It is nice for IBD kitties as it doesn't use gums and is limited ingredients. It can be found in the specialty pet food stores.
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Tracey and Jones. 'Specialty Food Stores' for pets. ?? I have never heard of these places, I have heard of PetCo, thats about it. 'Specialty Food STORE'? That means expensive food. Raw food that needs to be cooked, or fresh food that is made daily and cost a fortune to buy. If i cant afford VET prescription special foods, how do I find and afford Specialty food store cat foods?
 
Stan Bartlett said:
SORRY it is FANCY FEAST wet foods! Not Friskies. That is what i had her on and thats who makes the FISH AND SHRIMP FEAST wet. That is what i can get easily and she will eat it if I add water to it over and over,it is very dry,for a wet food, but ti is all fish and shrimp...thats it! So it is 'dryish'....no gravy. sorry for the mistake. NOT Friskies.....it is Fancy Feast.
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Fancy feast is fine for your cat, you don’t have to buy expensive cat food, Raws is expensive as I had tried it for my cat and he didn’t like it, I had never heard of it either
 
Lisa dvm said:
Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.
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Thank you, Dr. Pierson. I will be sure to donate!
 
Thank you Lisa!! Do you have anything for Nutro Max Cat 3oz cans? I looked under Max Cat and I looked under Nutro and could not find anything.... Also, did you ever get any info on the Authority at Petsmart.......................Thanks for your work
 
I rec’d the attached screenshot from Solid Gold food upon request for carb counts. FYI. I did not see it on the list and some people have asked about it in other posts.
 

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Please note that the data for Solid Gold is in DMB (dry matter basis) units, not the ME (caloric) units used for my chart. Therefore, they are not comparable.
 
Lisa dvm said:
Please note that the data for Solid Gold is in DMB (dry matter basis) units, not the ME (caloric) units used for my chart. Therefore, they are not comparable.
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Hi Dr. Pierson,

I have been contacting Nutro for their numbers. I have received the dry matter analysis, should I ask for something different?

Thanks,

Patricia
 
No problem. There is a tremendous amount of content on my site so I don't expect all readers to be able to read and digest all of the material there.
 
Lisa dvm said:
No problem. There is a tremendous amount of content on my site so I don't expect all readers to be able to read and digest all of the material there.
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I followed your formula to convert DMB to % calories. I posted it in the main health forum. I think my math is correct.

Thank you so much for creating catinfo.org. Coby is in remission but dealing with CKD now. But my young cats are starting out their cat life in the right direction.
 
Honestly, I do not know what I would do without your website and this chart! Thank you, Dr. Pierson.

I am a high school teacher in Central Florida and during Open House, I have parents that come through and ask for "that website about cat nutrition". I laugh and say that I ought to just print up business cards with your website on it and pass it out to cat people that I meet. I promise that I won't do that, but I have thought about it. :D Again, thank you!!
 
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