Info Dr. Pierson - new Food Chart

Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
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Thank you.
 
Lisa dvm said:
I deeply appreciate all of the notes of "thanks" - they really mean a lot to me and help heal my cramped hands from data entra and my sore ear from spending time on the phone begging some companies for information. I spent 2 hours on the phone last night with one company and, in total, I will bet that I have spent over 4 hours on the phone with just Petsmart hassling with that disrespectful company....the only one that has made it to my List of Shame.

Tricia - I saw that problem on the top of page 10 today at 4 AM but was too tired to fix it but it is fixed now.

I just want to reiterate that I am still expecting more data to come in so if anyone is thinking about printing this 'book' hold off because the chart is definitely not complete.

If there is enough interest, I will consider putting a more printer-friendly (less the shading) version linked to the current PDF.

I also want to thank those of you who have donated via the chart PDF. Kitten season is upon us and I am really focusing on spay/neuter efforts. (Just a package of suture material can cost $7-$8....)
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Hello Dr Lisa! long time no talk to! Just wondering, did you get any more info on the foods and update the list since 2017? That is the date on the new list I found.
Thanks for all you do! Ceil99
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...

Thank you so much. I am new here. Just diagnosed this week. This was very helpful when I was at the store trying to get some higher carb foods
for my hypo box.
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...
the link you provided only takes me to the old chart, 2017. I am very interested in the currenty info. How can I get the new chart?
 
Choosing catfood in Australia is a tricky minefield. Many in the chart are no longer available. Websites often say the foods are made in Australia, but the packets say Thailand. And Royal Canin can be made in the EU somewhere and the back labels are in English and Russian. Russian??
 
Hi there, I'm currently standing in a Petco and I can't find half the food on the list. Either some of the flavors are discontinued or unavailable in my area. I'm also not sure if I'm reading this correctly? Am I doing something wrong?
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Do you live in the US
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I do, I live in western Massachusetts. I picked up an assortment of what I could find based on the list, which amounted to ten cans of various brands, but I'm hoping I read the labels correctly. I'm not sure what I am supposed to see on the actual label. I don't understand the numbers at all, because the numbers on the chart aren't what's on the can.

I am autistic, and have comprehension issues, so could someone please explain to me how to read this chart and compare it to an actual can label? I need this spelled out for me very simply. If I can't find anything on the list, I need to know what I should be looking for on my own.
I'm not sure I'm looking at the updated list, either? It still says 2017.

Please help me feed my poor cat? :(
 
Dosmit said:
I do, I live in western Massachusetts. I picked up an assortment of what I could find based on the list, which amounted to ten cans of various brands, but I'm hoping I read the labels correctly. I'm not sure what I am supposed to see on the actual label. I don't understand the numbers at all, because the numbers on the chart aren't what's on the can.

I am autistic, and have comprehension issues, so could someone please explain to me how to read this chart and compare it to an actual can label? I need this spelled out for me very simply. If I can't find anything on the list, I need to know what I should be looking for on my own.
I'm not sure I'm looking at the updated list, either? It still says 2017.

Please help me feed my poor cat? :(
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Hi they don't list carbs in the cans I see on your signature your cat is in remission
Yes the list is old , that's the only one we have.
you want to continue to feed low carb wet food
Most of us feed Fancy Feast Classic Pates , just saw on your other post Fancy Feast makes him vomit. You vpcan try Friskies . If you look at that food chart you will see the carb%. You should have no problem finding these in the supermarkets

Some are 2, 3 or 6% carbs. Try to stay away from the fish flavors
Were you ever home testing your kitty?
You can find Friskies in your supermarkets .
I see on your other post members have given you some suggestions


Feel free to ask any more questions
@Dosmit
 
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Dosmit said:
Thank you all for your advice. He's been hospitalized with acute pancreatitis and triaditis. :(
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I'm so sorry to hear this ,please let us know how he's doing :bighug:
If you want to you can start your own post and let us know how he's doing
Go to Feline Health page and to the right it will say post new thread
If you need help with anything just ask. Poor baby
You can put Date New Member , your kitty's name then whatever you want to ask
 
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Dr. Lisa, this chart is a godsend. I can't tell you how many hours I've spent trying to glean and cross-reference this information from many sources -- and now here it is, all in one place, and with sliding filters!!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart.:bighug::cat::bighug:
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...


THANKYOU!!!!
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...
 
Thank-you for this food chart Dr. Lisa. Would you or someone on the forum, mind clarifying a few things regarding carb percentage? I read on PetMD to calculate carbs by adding up the moisture content along with protein, fat and fibre and subtracting the total from 100. The remainder would be the carb percentage. For example the Wellness Core - Chicken,Turkey and Chicken Liver Smooth has listed 12% protein, 7% fat, 1% fiber and 78% moisture which comes to a total of 98% so carb total would be 2%. (wouldn't fiber be a carb?) On your chart you indicate carbs at 8%, protein is 32% and 60% fat fo this food. Do you include the moisture content with each category? The ratio of fat to protein is higher in your count than on the tin, which says protein is higher. Im sure you've explained this somewhere on your post but if you dont mind clarifying this for me, I'd appreciate it. I bought this food because I thought it had the lowest carb with a higher protein.
Thanks
 
I found this
https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/calculating-calories-from-carbohydrates.205128/

 
I’m so happy to have this chart. I can’t find the classic fancy feast and wondering if it’s only on the American website. In Canada I found the pate which looks the same but doesn’t say classic on the can. Is it the same thing? Does pate mean classic?
 
Tobycat said:
I’m so happy to have this chart. I can’t find the classic fancy feast and wondering if it’s only on the American website. In Canada I found the pate which looks the same but doesn’t say classic on the can. Is it the same thing? Does pate mean classic?
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It doesn't say classic on it in Canada I pretty sure it just says Pate
Just did a search and found this posted by one of our members from Canada
Fancy Feast is not called Classic here. Just Pate.
We usually like to feed 6% carbs preferably less
I always fed 2 and 3% carbs of Fancy Feast
 
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have sw
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I found this
https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/calculating-calories-from-carbohydrates.205128/

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is there any dry food out there with low carbs? i prefer to leave dry kibble when I travel out of town to prevent hypoglycemia
 
Switched over to glargine finally. vetsulin seemed not to be working after 43 days of the same vial. changed in signature. looking for a chart of dry food to get a lower CHO content for when I leave for job. I don't want Phoebe to have hypoglycemia while I am oot. My caregiver for her doesn't do BG.
 
eva eva said:
have sw

is there any dry food out there with low carbs? i prefer to leave dry kibble when I travel out of town to prevent hypoglycemia
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As far as lc dry You can try
Dr Elsey's chicken flavor and young again zero will send you samples just call them
Here are some low carb dry foods ,they are about 5 or 6% carbs
None of them are cheap
You need to order them online
Dr Elseys you can buy on chewey site
https://www.chewy.com/dr-elseys-cleanprotein-chicken/dp/146269?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12791446238&utm_content=Dr. Elsey's&utm_term=&show-search=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0PvU2Zj79wIVRIdbCh3JawEkEAQYASABEgIInfD_BwE




Young again on their web site
https://www.youngagainpetfood.com
Take a look at the young again zero or the zero mature

Dr Elsey's also at Walmart
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dr-Elsey...ViI3ICh0suwO_EAQYAiABEgJrOPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Dr Elsey's Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FCJHDPR/ref=twister_B09GHFJY65?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

the Dr Elsey's comes in different size bags
None of these can be bought in stores


Dr Elsey's web site
https://www.drelseys.com



Young again Zero Mature
https://www.youngagainpetfood.com/products/zero-mature-health
Young again on their web site
https://www.youngagainpetfood.com
Take a look at the young again zero mature

Here is their web site
https://www.wysong.net/epigen
Call then see if they will send a sample
https://catfooddb.com/product/wysong/Epigen 90
Is Wysong grain-free?
Not satisfied with simply going grain-free, Wysong Epigen is the first dry kibble diet formulated with a patent-pending process that enables them to create a truly starch-free formula that closely mirrors the diet your pal was biologically designed to eat.
Using the calculations provided by the AAFCO, Wysong Epigen 90 has approximately 364 calories per 100g (103 calories/ounce), which is an average amount of calories compared to the average of the other dry cat foods in the CatFoodDB.
 
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  • eva eva said:
    Switched over to glargine finally. vetsulin seemed not to be working after 43 days of the same vial. changed in signature. looking for a chart of dry food to get a lower CHO content for when I leave for job. I don't want Phoebe to have hypoglycemia while I am oot. My caregiver for her doesn't do BG.
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Hi Eva I was looking at your spreadsheet and saw you put the blank line above the date you switched to glargine can you please write on it Switched to Glargine so members will know if they look at your spread
Also just wondering why you went to 2.25 units on 8-24 for the night cycle?
When will you be going away for your job?
Be sure to post before you go away and ask what dose you should give while you're away since your friend will not be testing at all , we worry :cat:

I also read on your previous post you said

eva eva said:
When I leave, no her BG is not checked by my friend. she has a hard time giving the insulin. I draw up her insulin doses for the times she will be giving Phoebe her insulin. They are in the fridge in a cup that she grabs and gives.
Here is your previous post
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/phoebe-and-new-iddm.267003/#post-2988412


Eva I did a search on our site about pre filling syringes and leaving them in the fridge
This is what an experienced member said

I wouldn't fill the syringes in advance. I'd make a sample one for her to use as a guide with colored water.
Maybe you can even put a piece a black electrical tape right o the line you want her to give so she knows to stop right there. I would start showing her how to do it before you go away.

I hope you don't mind I'm just looking out for you Phoebe :cat:

Lantus should not be pre-filling syringes. It is not recommended by the manufacturer. See page 3 of this link -- the information is on the Lantus board in the Insulin Care sticky.

Lantus insulin may become turbid or cloudy after 2 days of storage in prefilled syringes and fail to meet manufacturer specifications.

@eva eva
 
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Dr thank you so much for all of your time and effort put into compiling this list for us!!! I still appreciate it♥️ There are SO MANY different kinds of food! I have a newly diagnosed sugar baby and every time I go shop I whip out the list! I’ve seen the “formula “ for figuring out the carb content and you have to be a mathematician! Thanks again and Bella thanks you too!!!
 
Hello ☺️

Struggling to find the right can cat food that will fit both my cats needs. I have one diabetic cat with very high sugars on 4 units vetsulin currently on mostly dry food that I want to switch to wet food. I keep running into issues transitioning because my other cat gets pancreatitis and needs a very low fat diet. I've currently been using smalls delivery for wet food but any time I try wet foods my pancreatic cat starts getting sick and vomiting all the time. Any suggestions on a wet cat food brand low fat AND low carb?
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
Click to expand...


Thanks! This is from 2017. Anything newer???? There's a lot of food it in this list!!
 
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