Info Dr. Pierson - new Food Chart

Lisa dvm

Lisa dvm

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Hello all,

It has been awhile since I have visted the board but I wanted to let you all know that I have been working many hours over the past 3 months to update the protein/fat/carb/phosphorus food chart. Here is the new link: http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

If the old link is used, it will still go to the old chart. I can't seem to get the re-direct to work but I will keep working on it.

Over the past year I have had several people ask me when I was going to update the chart and my standard reply has been "when hell freezes over or pigs fly"....given what a incredibly time-consuming nightmare the chart is to compile.

But...in Dec of last year I decided to tackle it again and the new chart is actually twice as long as the old one. This PDF is 63 pages long and the old one was about half of that. If anyone prints it, they will kill a lot of trees. Plus, I don't have a printer-friendly (removing the shading so not so much ink is used) version available yet.

Users of the chart will also notice that I put a request for donations at the top of the chart for TLC Cat and Kitten Rescue so that homeless cats and kittens can benefit from the gazzilion hours I put into compiling the thousands of data points contained on the chart.

Regarding updating the sortable chart - that will not be done since someone else did that I and I do not know how to set one up so what is there will just have to be enough. There will also not be a chart for ascending phosphorus values like there was before.

You will also note that I streamlined the chart and removed DMB data. Only ME (calorie-basis) values are shown which is the best way to look at food composition.

And, finally, keep in mind that the numbers on the chart are VERY loose so don't get neurotic about whether a food says 7% carb or 10% carb because they are virtually the same number. Due to the way carbs are figured, a food that states 10% carb content could even be 0% or 2%. Food compositon numbers are just not that accurate.

I hope that the new chart is of help to all of you.



Edited on 04/23/2017 to add:
Food Chart update - a new sortable chart with filters that is linked in the upper left corner of my food chart
 
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Hi there! Long time no see! :)

Thank you, thank you, and thank you! Thank you for the endless hours and devotion it takes to tackle a project like this... not once, but twice! I'd also like to personally thank you for including information on "why" dry kibble is not recommended for cats... any cats... whether they have diabetes or not. It pains me to see the ever increasing amount of posts on the FDMB recommending Young Again and Evo as "diabetic friendly" dry kibble right from the get-go... before encouraging feeding wet food or explaining why, as well as explaining all the pitfalls from feeding a water depleted diet such as dry kibble!

Members often justify the suggestion with the availability of extra water bowls and fountains throughout the house. Your point is well made and shouldn't be forgotten or glossed over:

"Water-depleted diets do not promote urinary tract health and they signifcantly increase your cat's risk for very painful and potentially fatal urethral obstructions, as well as other urinary tract problems. Please see Opie’s pictures or a good look at the tremendous amount of suffering that dry food often causes. Cats have a low thirst drive and consume ~50% more water when on a wet diet versus a dry diet. This is considering all water sources: food + water bowl."

Thanks, Dr. Lisa!
 
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Thank you Dr. Lisa! For all of your information :cat: Is there a formula you use to calculate the carb content or just calling the companies? There are some brands with no information.
 
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Dr. Lisa, just wanted to mention that the data on the bottom of page 9 and top of page 10 is cut off.

Again, thank you so much for all the time and effort that went into this!
 
Thank you SO MUCH!!! We are all eternally indebted to you for the hard work you put in building not one, but TWO, food charts! Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I deeply appreciate all of the notes of "thanks" - they really mean a lot to me and help heal my cramped hands from data entra and my sore ear from spending time on the phone begging some companies for information. I spent 2 hours on the phone last night with one company and, in total, I will bet that I have spent over 4 hours on the phone with just Petsmart hassling with that disrespectful company....the only one that has made it to my List of Shame.

Tricia - I saw that problem on the top of page 10 today at 4 AM but was too tired to fix it but it is fixed now.

I just want to reiterate that I am still expecting more data to come in so if anyone is thinking about printing this 'book' hold off because the chart is definitely not complete.

If there is enough interest, I will consider putting a more printer-friendly (less the shading) version linked to the current PDF.

I also want to thank those of you who have donated via the chart PDF. Kitten season is upon us and I am really focusing on spay/neuter efforts. (Just a package of suture material can cost $7-$8....)
 
Lisa dvm said:
If there is enough interest, I will consider putting a more printer-friendly (less the shading) version linked to the current PDF.
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Count me in on this. Even though I already downloaded it to my phone, I keep a hard copy in the drawer next to my computer to refer to when someone on the Board has a question about a food (of course I also recommend they go look at your site themselves ;)).

Lisa dvm said:
Tricia - I saw that problem on the top of page 10 today at 4 AM but was too tired to fix it but it is fixed now.
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Thanks. I can relate. I am often online doing stuff at 4:00 am, and it's not always my best work. :p
 
Hello all,

Well...I am somewhat embarrassed to say that I just spent 22 hours figuring out Google Sheets to put the chart into a sortable format and I also re-formatted it to make it more printer-friendly which turned out to much more time-consuming than I thought it would be. No doubt that many of you could have gotten this done in 1/100th the time that it took me but this old dog does not learn new tricks very quickly.

The links to the sortable and print formats are located at the top/left corner of the chart but...if anyone is planning on printing all 47 pages (down from 67 pages) I would wait. I have more data coming in and I also need to find the time to call Mars and sit on the phone with them for few more 2 hour sessions.

No, I am not exaggerating. They would not SEND me the data that I wanted so I made them read it to me over the phone. The last call (my 4th one so far...) lasted exacly 1 hour and 59 minutes...just to get some Sheba, Nutro, etc., data.

So far, the chart has 1,110 canned foods with 5 data points each. No wonder I have a headache and cramped hands.....

Here is the link to the sortable chart but it is also on the main chart:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...m6PPfEUz9YmzMGMxkmcBk6uRR0/edit#gid=113878384

Plesae note that there are 2 tabs - one for data and one for notes.

I want to again thank those of you who have donated to TLC. We really appreciate your support as we try to get as many reproductive organs out of circulation as possible and to feed the ones we have already fixed.
 
Question for you guys: is everyone able to access the sortable chart? Are you able to download it to your own computer so you can manipulate it for your own needs?

This is the first time I have used Sheets and I want to make sure it has been done correctly.

I also want to confirm did that the Sheet is locked so that nobody can edit it unless downloaded to their own computer.
 
Hi Dr. Pierson,
I am able to access the chart, sort it, and unable to make edits :). I have not downloaded the sheet though, I just have it bookmarked.

Thank you for all that you do, wish we could help you gather information.
 
Hi Dr. Pierson,

I wanted to add my thanks to all the others for the time, energy, frustration that you have spent on these lists - it is sooooooo appreciated. I hope you don't mind but I forwarded the link to my vet - because after many years I have finally gotten him to agree that not all commercial food is bad and not much of the prescription food is good!!

Thank you very much for your herculean effort!!
 
Thank you so much, Dr. Lisa. I saved it on my Google drive, but will wait to print it until you say "go"! You really are a tremendous asset to those of us with diabetic cats, and really to all cat owners. This is an amazing tool.
 
Guys...I need your help. Above I asked:

Are you able to download it to your own computer so you can manipulate it for your own needs?
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.....but I have had no responses from anyone confirming that they can download it. I just got a message from the person helping me with my website and she said that she canNOT download it but I would have figured that if there was a problem then someone would have let me know by now.

I cannot test it on my end since I am the owner of the Sheet.
 
You saved my phoebes life. My vet recommended your site to me many years ago. I switched over to wet food and it saved my Phoebe. And every other cat, myself, or my friends or my family get, because I make sure to stress the importance of your site, and water in a cats life. Thank you thank 'head bumps" from Phoebe
 

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Thank you for ALL your efforts! Do you mind if I print out a copy of the Food List and give it to my vet? She has been very receptive of the information I pass on, home testing, etc but I doubt she would take the time to print it out herself. Again...THANK YOU!!!
 
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Guys...I need your help. Above I asked:



.....but I have had no responses from anyone confirming that they can download it. I just got a message from the person helping me with my website and she said that she canNOT download it but I would have figured that if there was a problem then someone would have let me know by now.

I cannot test it on my end since I am the owner of the Sheet.
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Thank you for updating your chart Dr. Lisa. Your chart is my bible when it comes to food for my diabetic kitties and I have shared it with so many people. It is an invaluable resource.

I am currently unemployed but I hope that will change soon and as soon as it does, I will make a donation.

My Keno also has kidney disease and I'm unsure how to use the phos info in the new chart, as I've always used the DMA for phos and tried to stay under 1.00. Can anyone help me out with how to convert the mg Phos/100 kcals to Phos DM?

thanks,
Jeanette
 
jacereske said:
Thank you for updating your chart Dr. Lisa. Your chart is my bible when it comes to food for my diabetic kitties and I have shared it with so many people. It is an invaluable resource.

I am currently unemployed but I hope that will change soon and as soon as it does, I will make a donation.

My Keno also has kidney disease and I'm unsure how to use the phos info in the new chart, as I've always used the DMA for phos and tried to stay under 1.00. Can anyone help me out with how to convert the mg Phos/100 kcals to Phos DM?

thanks,
Jeanette
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Most try to find a food that's low carb and as much under 200 phosphorus as you can get. Tanya'scrf.org has updated her chart as well and she uses DMA so that might help too.
 
Just wondering why the new list doesn't include raw food. I'm trying to find a good quality food for 6 1/2 month old kittens and don't want to grind or make my own. One has had pudding stool on fancy feast and wellness kitten. Tge other has kind of dry. Im trying Primal frozen nuggets and adding pumpkin but don't know if I'm helping or hurting them. I've cooked chicken thighs and they love them.
 
Thank you so very much, Dr. Lisa, for your many hours of labors of love and devotion!! :bighug::bighug:

So very appreciated!!!

Gina:) and furbabies, Princeton:cat: & Sweetie:cat:
 
I have 2 Questions about the FF Natural information on the new chart. Can I safely assume that 1. The FF Natural on your chart is the same as the packages of Pure FF with label "Natural..." and 2. The calories are per the 2 oz. container. I cannot thank you enough for all the great information you have provided. Being new to all this the issues are overwhelming. So many questions having a good local Vet just isn't enough. Thank you.
 
I really appreciate your work. My vet is feline specific so Momma and I have been onboarded quite well to FD. Today at our 1 week post hosptial followup, pDVM gave Momma a copy of your spreadsheet... not the whole thing, just the brand that I already enjoy eating. Thanks so much!
Orry and halyphill
 
Lisa dvm said:
Hello all,

Well...I am somewhat embarrassed to say that I just spent 22 hours figuring out Google Sheets to put the chart into a sortable format and I also re-formatted it to make it more printer-friendly which turned out to much more time-consuming than I thought it would be. No doubt that many of you could have gotten this done in 1/100th the time that it took me but this old dog does not learn new tricks very quickly.

The links to the sortable and print formats are located at the top/left corner of the chart but...if anyone is planning on printing all 47 pages (down from 67 pages) I would wait. I have more data coming in and I also need to find the time to call Mars and sit on the phone with them for few more 2 hour sessions.

No, I am not exaggerating. They would not SEND me the data that I wanted so I made them read it to me over the phone. The last call (my 4th one so far...) lasted exacly 1 hour and 59 minutes...just to get some Sheba, Nutro, etc., data.

So far, the chart has 1,110 canned foods with 5 data points each. No wonder I have a headache and cramped hands.....

Here is the link to the sortable chart but it is also on the main chart:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...m6PPfEUz9YmzMGMxkmcBk6uRR0/edit#gid=113878384

Plesae note that there are 2 tabs - one for data and one for notes.

I want to again thank those of you who have donated to TLC. We really appreciate your support as we try to get as many reproductive organs out of circulation as possible and to feed the ones we have already fixed.
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Dr. Lisa,

I am new. My Fergus was DX very recently. He also is a urinary issue survivor with a PU.

I cannot explain to you how thankful for the list you provided I am. That list gave me tangible hope, to have some grasp on what is going on right now. My cat may not be ok in the long run and I may not have made the most informed choices in the past, but this gave me hope. He means the world to me.

I am especially grateful for the four phone calls at two hours each that you made to the makers of Sheba.

I was so happy my former urinary SO dry food eating cat, liked Sheba. When I read the updated sheet and saw the stats I was so releaved. The fact that it is in the grocery AND it is within acceptable range of allowed phosphorous made me want to weep with joy.

That time made a huge difference in my life and in Fergus'. It means everything that there is a person out there like you.

Thank you.
 
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