Also need input on Vets dosage recommendation

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  1. Ninagirl143

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    I know how you feel over 2,000 i have spent this week with 24 hour care for my Nina's hypo incident. It is alot of money.. signs of the low for me she was wobbly, not alert, gazing, losing grip, staring with very wide eyes, she fell down the steps, doesnt respond as well when you speak to them. (These are what i experienced) have something sugary handy. Corn syrup.. honey.. icing anything. Rub on the gums in the mouth if you feel you are seeing anything unusual. Try feeding as well. Although I did both and my cat still hypo'ed in alot of cases it can bring it up. Good luck!
     
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  2. Delores7

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    Thanks so much everyone!.I am feelng better about all this and doing the much lower dosage since everyone here and everything I've read says start lower and build slowly and that is better if BG is somewhat too high but NEVER too low!...the 'sugar dance'...lol perfect terminology.
    I have some maple syrup on hand for any emergencies...and have decided to try the 1 unit twice a day to start until the monitor gets here in a few days...
    right now Casey is alert and actually grooming himself all over which I havent seen him do since this all started, so I am taking that as a sign he is feeling so much better... I of corse will keep a vigilant eye on him for any negative signs and I am so beyond relieved and happy to have found this awesome support site....I am reading up on everything each day and am not feeling overwhelmed anymore and I have this site with all of y'alls compassionate support to thank for it!
     
  3. JanetNJ

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    Grooming is a great sign of feeling better!!! I'm glad you are feeling better. While there is always a chance of hypo any time a cat is on insulin, 1 unit, especially in the beginning, is usually a safe place to start. :)
     
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  4. Diana&Tom

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    Definitely the right decision, Delores! 1u twice a day should be fine and then when you get a monitor and start to get some testings, you can post the results here and it will be easier for us all to see what the dose is doing. It MAY be that a higher dose will be needed but we just don't know and meanwhile it is far better to dose low and keep Casey safe rather than risking the vet's suggestion which as we have all said is still a very high and potentially unsafe dose.
    This site is indeed awesome and you are most definitely in the right place!
     
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    Just something little to note, that meter takes a decent sized blood sample of 0.6µl. I know Canada can't get the ReliOn Confirm/Micro, apparently that's only in the states. But for comparison, the pet meter AlphaTrak2 only takes 0.3µl sample. There are other Canadian's on the site that can help you find a meter that takes a smaller sample, should you have issues with that one :bighug:
     
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  7. Tuxedo Mom

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    The Free Style Lite meter takes a small sample size..same size as the Alpha Trak 2...0.3ul. According to Consumer Reports for 2016 the FS Lite meter had excellent reviews. I am not familiar with the Medi Sure meter, but if it is only available online that could be a problem if you are running out of strips and need more right away.


    ETA I am in Winnipeg, Canada and use the AT2 pet meter regularly but have the FS lite meter as a backup.
     
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  8. Delores7

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    Dam I am starting to feel like I am not getting much right ...I already ordered it so it will just have to do for now as I am on an extremely tight budget...the alpha strips are too expensive and cannot afford them...and I have to order everything online regardless...I have looked all over and this was one that is affordable to me as well as being accurate since they use it in clinics around canada because of its accuracy... I did see where you can successfully take blood from the foot pad instead of the ear as my cat absolutely HATES having anyone touch his ears...his ears are fine he has just always been this way so I will try the foot pad approach tho I am sure some will disagree with that but I dont want to overstress Casey at this point
     
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  9. TempestsMum

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    I think you will do just fine, the reason people are recommending the other ones are just because you need less blood, just to make your life easier. :)

    I have the alphatrak but used freestyle lite strips in it which work for me. They were less expensive. Having any meter should make life much less stressful for you.

    I did find the testing really hard, but my kitty can be very temperamental lol she truly lives up to her name. She's fine now unless I take too long then she lets me know. Haha
     
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  10. Tuxedo Mom

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    From what I could find online the MediSure meter and strips are rated as good and they are more affordable than a lot of other strips. The cost of the meter is really of no consequence...it is the cost of the strips that add up. You will do fine with this meter. If it takes a little more blood to do a reading you will just have to make sure your kitty's ears are warm when you do the pokie. ;) Just being able to test at home will give you so much more comfort and confidence.
     
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  11. Delores7

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    thanks TempestsMum...I did find some alpha traks online but couldnt find any ebay.ca or amazon.ca links that will ship to canada...I am sure eventually I will find a better affordable source...maybe if there was a list here of available monitors and strips with prices and ratings it would help out people whose cat is newly diagnosed make the best choice for them and their kitty.Just a thot!
     
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  12. Delores7

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    Thanks also Tuxedo Mom for that enouraging word...:D
     
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  13. Delores7

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    OMG I could never afford an incident like that...that's SO scary!
     
  14. Kris & Teasel

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    There are people on here who use the foot pad. If it works, do it! :) I wouldn't worry about the blood drop size requirement with this meter. You can warm the poke area to increase blood flow, etc. The kit is very reasonable priced as are the strips, etc. in the online catalog. I'd post a reminder to yourself to order more strips well before your current supply is getting low. Testing BG at home is going to be SO helpful in getting Casey on track. :smuggrin:
     
  15. Kris & Teasel

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    Unfortunately, in Canada testing supplies are much more expensive than in the US. The AlphaTrak meter/strips is expensive everywhere.
     
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  16. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Delores, I have used the MediSure meter and it's fine but you will want to invest a few dollars for alternate site lancets for testing in gauge 26 or 28. FreeStyle Lite lancets are 28gauge and about $8.00 for 100 at Walmart in my neck of the woods. The ones that come with the meter will be very small Gauge 31 or 33) and make it harder to get the sample you need especially if you do end up using the paw pad. In the meantime, I'd try fussing with Casey's ears and giving a treat each time (whether he co-operates or not) so he starts associating good things with having his ears played with because most cats are even more touchy about having their paws messed with. That said there are folks here who test using the paw so you'll have to see what works with Casey.
     
  17. Delores7

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    Thanks friends for your suggestions...this is def a learning process as to what works best etc...I know as Casey and I work thru this things will become more understandable and easier all around..WHEW....I will try working on him with the ear treat reward!
     
  18. Kris & Teasel

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    Yes, I guarantee it'll get better, Delores! :D
     
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    In the beginning of our sugar dance, we humans were actually the ones that had a much harder time with all the stuff we had to learn and do. Radar was cool as a cucumber most of the time. What he didn't like was being restrained... so we helped him by getting all the equipment ready before he was invited to the party. :cat: Then the few seconds we needed his furry self to be still was kept to a minimum. And of course we provided lots of love and yummy morsels of low carb treats whether we got our "work" done in that moment or not.
     
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  20. Marlena

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    OMG, I'm so relieved that you're reducing the dose of insulin. But 6 units is still a mistake of your vet, I suspect that he calculated that dose by weight which is what they do for dogs but with cats it is totally different. You really need to print out some information and give to your vet, they obviously don't know what they are doing which is scary! I'm guessing that you are doing your own research but if you don't know where to look I will happily direct you to a website for your vet to read. Another option is to ask your vet to consult an internist vet or a hospital which does research or specialise in internal medicine for pets. My vet did not know much about feline diabetes as well and she contacted an internist (I have requested that) and it was a different story.
    You have to be an advocate for your cat and also bear in mind that if your cat goes into hypo you will have to take him to an emergency vet and it cost so much! I feel very concerned that you are getting stressed about not being able to purchase a meter right now, it would be a good idea to prevent any sort of difficult situation which would put even more financial pressure on you! In the end of the day your wellbeing is all important.
    Delores, please go slow with insulin as nobody can predict how your kitty is going to react to it and once you inject a very powerful substance into a living organism you can't "uninject" it!
    I'm keeping you and Casey in my thoughts and I'm here to answer your questions.
    Please keep us informed how things are.
    Best of luck
    Marlena:cat:
     
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    thanks so much Marlena for the great info and support...I was able to get a meter but the 30G lancets are not drawing any blood...tho I am still trying a few times a day to get Casey more used to it...I DId end up lightly wrapping him in a towel cos he hates his ears touvhed and wriggles so much and that seemed to actually calm him...I asked a friend to pick up a 28G lancet from a pharmacy near their work...it was the smallest they had...so am hoping it can get a blood bead.
    and YES everything I am hearing and reading shows that a higher dose once a day is for DOGS and we all know cats are Diferent...I am giving him 1 Iu twice a day now...so am anxious to see what his BG actually is.He is still hungrier and somewhat thirstier than normal but way better than he was w/o insulin!I would love the link to that website for the vet as he goes back on the 26th!
     
  22. Yong

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    Hopefully the bigger 28G lancets will help you get a blood drop :).
    I think it's time we get your Signature and Spreadsheet setup ;).
    Signature instructions: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/editing-your-signature-profile-and-preferences.130340/
    Spreadsheet template: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
    Understanding the spreadsheet:
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/understanding-the-spreadsheet-grid.156606/

    If you need help with any thing just ask :bighug:
     
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    thank you Yong I will print out these sheets now!
     
  24. Yong

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    No need to print, we share them on the forum in our Signature's :)
     
  25. Marlena

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    Delores, keep very gently massaging and rubbing Casey's ears at any possible occasion so he will get used to sensation.
    Before trying to lancet him you could try to really warm up and rub the ear towards blood vessels on the edge. It might be not easy at first but given time he will start to accept that. Use very soothing calm voice, move around him slowly and don't rush and be nervous, they can sense that so well! The calmer and collected you are the better result you will observe. Not easy st first, I know but I promise it will get much easier with time!
    I'm still shocked at the level of knowledge your vet displays so print this out for them:
    www.caninsulin.co.uk/downloads/caninsulin-stablisation-protocol.pdf and www.vetsulin.com.
    It is all there, your vet did not bother to check, I don't believe they treated many diabetic cats as they would have hypos and possibly deaths, they can be sued for negligence!
     
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  26. jayla-n-Drevon

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    prayers..... and don't forget to take a breath:bighug::bighug::bighug:

    The experts here will help you --you are in very good hands.
     
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  27. jayla-n-Drevon

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    This is so true... my vet will call me for tips on things for diabetics now--
    When Dre was dx he gave me food- insulin and syringes and said "he probably needs1-2 units 2x a day":eek::eek::eek:
    I showed him the forum and my ss and his eyes just glazed over. He is great at what he does but FD is not something he does often enough to know that we WILL test and we WILL switch to low carb foods and all the other things we do for our kittys. Even the "experts" I went to were not as knowledgable as the people in this forum.
     
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  28. Chris & China

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    You might want to consider the Bravo Meter....it takes a little smaller sample size and the strips are a little more affordable
     
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  29. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    The difference between sample sizes for the Bravo and MediSure meters is 0.1uL which is 1/3rd the tiny sample size needed for the Relion Micro & Confirm, Freestyle Lite and Nova Max Plus meters which I don't think would make any appreciable difference.
     
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  30. Delores7

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    wELL with the 28G lancet FINALLY GOT A READING THIS MORNING RIGHT AFTER Casey ate and I am really worried because it read 26.7!!! This is his 3rd day on the much lower 1IU instead of 8IU and it is higher than when he got diagnosed! I am feeding him only wet canned Friskies food with an under 10 carb ratio. Next shopping trip I will get him fancy Feast which I see is even lower in carbs. Could 6 Temptations yesterday make his BG that high??? I wont be giving him anymore regardless. I notice he seems hungrier again , back at the water bowl and staying under the bed more on 1 IU.He obviously need a higher dose; surely not 8 but def higher than 1IU twice a day.Should I up it tonight by 1/2 IU as that seems to be the norm?
    Oh am using the MediSure meter which I researched as accurate while affordable strips.They use it in clinics here in Canada.
    Your wisdom is much appreciated here everyone!
     
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  31. TempestsMum

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    Hey go you! That's fantastic! :)

    The bg level will always be higher after they eat that's why we recommend you test before they eat with no food in their system 2 hours before the test/shot time.
    Then it's important they eat before you shoot so that numbers are climbing when the insulin takes affect, so they don't nosedive.

    Any high carb food like that especially hard food will hold the carbs in the system for longer - how long I think varies.

    It may be 1U isn't enough but for now you are looking for a safe baseline to see where to go. Don't overly worry about the high numbers right now, it's not (hopefully) a long term thing. :bighug:
     
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    Thanks for the encouraging back pat TempestsMom! I forgot to check him BEFORE he ate...I didnt realise how quick it can go up after eating and its sinking in that its better for it to be higher than too low and now that I finally got some blood I am feeling SOOOO much better about poking his ears!
     
  33. JanetNJ

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    So glad you are able to get a test!!! The first one is the hardest. :). Now we have to set you up with a spreadsheet.

    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
     
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  34. Kris & Teasel

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    Don't panic, Delores! We're here to help. You now know that the first AM test should be before eating so you can judge whether a dose is safe to give. I'm really glad you got 28 gauge lancets too! You'll want a non-food influenced test tonight as well, so no food at least 2 hours before that test.

    One of the other important things to absorb at the beginning is not to be shocked by a high number. It's the extreme lows that are dangerous. There are many sayings that are repeated here over and over and this is one: better too high for a day than too low for a minute.

    The key to dosing is to see how low a dose drops the BG, not how high it is at the beginning of a cycle or as part of what we call bouncing. We always recommend starting a newly diagnosed kitty on the low dose of 1 unit twice a day, gathering BG data for a couple of days on that dose and if the BG numbers warrant, increasing by only 0.25 u at a time. This calls for patience and not being afraid of highs.

    Yes, please set up the spreadsheet we use here. There are techies to help if you need it.
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
     
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  35. TempestsMum

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    I'm so pleased for you, I really am. :)
     
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    Thanks everyone I so appreciate your input and encouraging words...I do need to start a spreadsheet and I will get a bg reading at 3 2 hrs b4 he eats!
     
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  37. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    You need to withhold food for 2 hours, then test/feed and give insulin. While a test 2 hours before he eats will fill in some data on your Spreadsheet, it's the reading just before they eat after fasting for at least two hours that you base your decisions on for whether it's safe to give insulin and sometimes whether to give a full or reduced dose. :)
     
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    Ok I just got a reading of 15.6...7 hours after his 1st dose.... I will check again 2 hours before he has dinner.
     
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  39. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Delores, you may be in testing mode because it's the weekend. That's fine and all data helps but I'm not sure if you understood my message.

    Since you have a mid cycle for today already, you don't need to test again until just before you feed Casey. So for example, if you usually give insulin around 5pm, you don't want Casey eating anything between about 2:30pm and 4:30pm. Test at 4:30pm, then feed, wait 20 to 30 minutes and then give insulin.:)
     
  40. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Congrats on testing !!!
     
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    Aha!~ thanks very much!
     
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  42. Sieden

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    I'm sorry but I'm SO UPSET with you right now. Why, why, why would you bother to post here and ask our nearly expert advice on the dosage if you didn't intend on following it or at least looking further into it? After several people told you DO NOT give 8 units you went and did it anyway, not once but twice and without checking back here for our answers! If you want someone to blame, start with yourself because you asked and people told you to absolutely NOT give that high of a dose and you did it anyway and to be honest God must be watching over your cat because you're lucky that you didn't kill him.

    I'm sorry, I know that dealing with a diabetic cat isn't easy but 8 units is crazy high and if you're going to take the time to be worried enough to ask for our opinion then be worried enough to check for our answers before you stick that needle in. Checking here only takes a few seconds.
     
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  43. TempestsMum

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    Not appropriate Sieden,
    I know you are upset, but this isn't helpful at all! It's very difficult when your heads in a tailspin and your vets is filling it with information and then people (strange people) on a forum are talking at you and giving you more information to process. Have a little heart here! Delores is doing her very best! And doing extremely well!
     
  44. Diana&Tom

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    Well said, Tara. We all learn differently, and at different speeds, too... some people take weeks or months to get round to home-testing, or understand the value of spreadsheets... it is all overwhelming, as most of us remember all too well. Getting your head around feline diabetes is like studying for an exam in a brand-new subject - it's hard-going and we need every single ounce of support we can get. We may have opinions that our fellow members aren't doing what we as more experienced care-givers would do, but we have to maintain our stance in a tactful and positive manner... and hope that sooner rather than later what we say makes sense!
     
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    It was a year ago for me Diana and I still remember the panic and how frightened I was very clearly. I spent most of my kitty's short time on insulin in fight and flight mode which was horrible for me. With positive encouragement and lots of hand holding from everyone on here we made it to remission in super fast time and I will forever be grateful for the help and support I got here. No one judged me, and no one attacked me.
    I just can't thank people enough - even now, for that.
     
  46. Sieden

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    I understand that but she came here and asked for our advice but then didn't follow it or come back to check to see what people had said before she gave him a possible lethal dose. I didn't mean to spank her like a child and for that, I'm sorry but she needs to understand just how lucky she really is to still have her cat today because I know that if I gave Peanut 8 units, I would be digging a damn hole in the back yard tomorrow. I know that she's doing good now, but like I said she's lucky.

    But I do know that I was harsh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.
     
  47. TempestsMum

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    Consider this @Sieden

    Everyone who owns a cat is lucky! Everyone loves their kitties very much.

    How would you feel if you were new and someone spoke to you like that?
    Would you return to a place where you felt judged and were told you were a bad kitty-mom?

    If you were the one person who drove a person in need away from the one place they came to for support and help, would you then not be the person who didn't do right by that cat who was in need? And what if your actions meant that person never returned, that kitty-mom never got the information and help they needed and something tragic happened because of that?

    Things to think about and consider, because I know had someone spoken to me like you just did I would have went away and never came back.

    In this case, what's done is done, kitty is fine, and definitely- if you have nothing nice/constructive to say- don't say it!
     
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  48. Sieden

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    You're right, I apologize
     
  49. Delores7

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    My 2 cents worth... I knew NOTHING about diabetes casey was diagnosed and most people want to trust and feel their vet knows what they are talking about. I spent a few tearful days researching and agonizing over this!Its freaking stressful enuff w/o someone browbeating me when I AM trying to do the best for my cat and if you had followed the thread you would see my MANY replies and the fact i am now home testing and took casey to 1IU.I am glad others here have been so helpful and encouraging;no one wants to harm their beloved pet.
    Thank you TempestsMom for your compassion here.
     
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  50. TempestsMum

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    @Delores7 you are doing fabulously believe me! Much better than I did! I was a total wimp! I actually admire how you have and are handling this!!! :bighug::bighug::bighug: And an extra one just for being you :bighug:
     
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    :cat: Aww thanks HUGS and encouragement are Always helpful!:cat:
     
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  52. Tuxedo Mom

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    Delores

    Finding out your furbaby has diabetes is such a stressful situation. I cried most of the first week when my first one was diagnosed and spent countless hours scouring the internet for more information on FD....it became an obsession. You are doing the best you can...educating yourself, reaching out for help and now home-testing. It is always difficult in the beginning, trying to balance what your vet has told you with new information you are learning. Although I disagree with strong arm tactics, everyone here cares about your kitty and you..,, we are all obsessive crazy cat people on this forum :D. When I first started my journey there were some comments made that almost caused me to stop coming here. However I am so so glad I stayed and continued learning and being supported. There are some very experienced members here, with some very good advice. With your willingness to do everything you can for your kitty and the help of the collective information and advice from this forum your journey will get easier.

    :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  53. JanetNJ

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    We were all new once. No one should put blame on you for deferring to your vets "expertise" over something you have no experience with. Cats fine and now we move forward. :)
     
  54. Sieden

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    I am truly sorry, I didn't mean to scold you. I was just so scared and shocked by the 8 units especially for a new kitty. I really wasn't mad at you, I was ticked at your vet more than anything but I shouldn't have taken it out on you and I'm sorry. You're doing well and you're doing the right thing by being here. I'm so very glad that I didn't scare you away. I hope that you accept my apology and that we can move forward because I like being here and I want you to like being here too :) So once again, I'm sorry.
     
  55. Delores7

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    Sieden its okay, I truly DO understand where you are coming from ! no one wants to see any animal harmed from bad medicine! I was totally freaking out when I saw that 1st day Casey was diagnosed, the responses to what the vet prescribed.Believe me I went back and forth a few times with her techs and her actually had a mutual friend of the vets call because I was SO upset.Unfortunately I still did not know enough to make a qualified decision on dosing or diabetes and wanting to trust her decision made the very wrong choice.
    Thank you for your encouragement, this IS an awesome site with great info and fantastic people. I dont even want to think about what would happen if I hadnt found this site; its so frightening. to consider!And as you say we need to continue to move forward:):cat:
     
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  56. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    Gosh you all are making me cry!!
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  57. Sieden

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    I second that, I don't want to think about what would have happened if you hadn't found this site. I'm so sick and tired of seeing very uneducated vets giving such terrible advice on diabetes when they don't know 2 ounces of info on the subject. They don't know anything about nutrition either and it's just sad. We should be able to trust our doctors and our vets because they are supposed to be the experts but it just isn't the case. I finally gave up my vet that I had been seeing for about 12 or 13 years because he wanted me to give my cat 2 units twice a day and he was already well controlled on 1 unit twice a day. He also wanted me to add another insulin, so give him 2 different insulins and change his diet from his low carb canned to Purina DM dry. I told him to take a flying leap and I've never been back lol. But I did find another vet that is amazing. I think just like me, you had a crappy vet and now you're gonna have to find a good one but for now you've got us to help you get on the right track. It looks like you're doing good. By the way, I have a cat named Ginger too, he fetches paper balls and brings them back for me to throw again. My sugar kitty Peanut will fetch too but only his favorite toys and he's learned to bring them back as well, he likes for me to throw them down the stairs lol. Cats are something else aren't they.
     
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