Info Dr. Pierson - new Food Chart

Jasper Blue and Jay said:
I gotta get better at calculating all that...

I also think I need a higher protein lower fat food than what we're using right now, at least mixed in, so the natural stuff looked more appealing that way too...

But this stuff is new and it's not the same as the "natural" line on the chart right?

I can't believe how many different types of food fancy feast has, lol I can't keep track, I got a medleys can for an emergency hypo but when i looked it up i had grabbed a "pate" medley that was only 4% carbs! lol

So confusing.
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Haha yeah there are four medleys that are low carb. There is one of them I guess. Somehow I memorized all this. Ya the stuff I was asking about is brand new and all low carb. Just google carb calculator and find one that looks good and punch in the data. I think there is one on Lisa P’s website actually I used. All the info is on the cans to put in.
The natural line is just broth kinda and zero carbs this new one is like royal canin but not as healthy. It’s all like 5 carbs or something. It’s called Gourmet Naturals in Gravy.
 
edenbee said:
Haha yeah there are four medleys that are low carb. There is one of them I guess. Somehow I memorized all this. Ya the stuff I was asking about is brand new and all low carb. Just google carb calculator and find one that looks good and punch in the data. I think there is one on Lisa P’s website actually I used. All the info is on the cans to put in.
The natural line is just broth kinda and zero carbs this new one is like royal canin but not as healthy. It’s all like 5 carbs or something. It’s called Gourmet Naturals in Gravy.
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Ok, just to see if I got it right...so none of the gourmet naturals are on the chart yet right?

And ... in the gourmet naturals line... the gravy ones are actually lower carb, at 5%? And the pate in this line is actually not as low as the pates in other lines?
 
edenbee said:
Just google carb calculator and find one that looks good and punch in the data. I think there is one on Lisa P’s website actually I used.
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Jasper Blue and Jay said:
Ok, just to see if I got it right...so none of the gourmet naturals are on the chart yet right?

And ... in the gourmet naturals line... the gravy ones are actually lower carb, at 5%? And the pate in this line is actually not as low as the pates in other lines?
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Links below can be found here: INDEX: Health Links/FAQs

How to Calculate the Nutrient Content of Commercial Cat Foods


Dr. Lisa's Cat Food Data Base Calculator - Type in the percentages of minimum protein, maximum fat, maximum carbs, and maximum phosphorus you're looking for. You also have the option to choose a specific cat food company. This tool will automatically list the cat foods from the Food Chart created by Lisa Pierson DVM list that meet your specifications.
 
Olive & Paula said:
@Jasper Blue and Jay ,

Here's a calculator that uses the info on the can. Pretty accurate to the list. Easy to have on your phone when in the store.

http://fnae.org/carbcalorie.html
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Jill & Alex (GA) said:
Links below can be found here: INDEX: Health Links/FAQs

How to Calculate the Nutrient Content of Commercial Cat Foods

Dr. Lisa's Cat Food Data Base Calculator - Type in the percentages of minimum protein, maximum fat, maximum carbs, and maximum phosphorus you're looking for. You also have the option to choose a specific cat food company. This tool will automatically list the cat foods from the Food Chart created by Lisa Pierson DVM list that meet your specifications.
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Thanks!
 
Yeah it's not too hard to just put in the info from the can..and yeah these Gourmet Naturals are new..got them off Amazon and tough they have gravy they are low carb. My cat likes them okay as he has no choice he is just not getting that grilled beef he loved so much. The carbs are low...and I saw an ad for them on TV earlier today. The chart is wonderful but hasn't been updated in a bit so the carb calculators are so good! and this food, though not the healthiest is one my cat has been steadily liking for over a month now. He likes the low carb "medleys" too like the primavera one. He hates the pates though.
 
edenbee said:
Yeah it's not too hard to just put in the info from the can..and yeah these Gourmet Naturals are new..got them off Amazon and tough they have gravy they are low carb. My cat likes them okay as he has no choice he is just not getting that grilled beef he loved so much. The carbs are low...and I saw an ad for them on TV earlier today. The chart is wonderful but hasn't been updated in a bit so the carb calculators are so good! and this food, though not the healthiest is one my cat has been steadily liking for over a month now. He likes the low carb "medleys" too like the primavera one. He hates the pates though.
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Thanks! I'm going to have to pick a couple few varieties we stick to and make sure to check that they still match the chart with the calculator.

The first few days i was here someone was like , get a couple cans of the gravy lovers for medium carb and a couple cans of the medleys for high carb in case of hypo... Apparently the medleys have a 4% carb flavor! lol

I looked up the rest of the ones I had and wrote the number on the cans but checking with a calculator would be even better!
 
I have Karo syrup in case of hypo. Rub it on the gums I think. Funny about buying the low carb ones! I am really digging these Gourmet Naturals. My cat gets sick of stuff fast and hates the healthier cans. But he will eat some Weruva if it’s been a while. It’s a like this rotating pattern of sensing when he wants a change. Like us humans too I guess.
 
edenbee said:
Yeah it's not too hard to just put in the info from the can..and yeah these Gourmet Naturals are new..got them off Amazon and tough they have gravy they are low carb. My cat likes them okay as he has no choice he is just not getting that grilled beef he loved so much. The carbs are low...and I saw an ad for them on TV earlier today. The chart is wonderful but hasn't been updated in a bit so the carb calculators are so good! and this food, though not the healthiest is one my cat has been steadily liking for over a month now. He likes the low carb "medleys" too like the primavera one. He hates the pates though.
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My crew like the medley primvera chicken pate. I wish chewy carried it. I have to order from walmart. Olive also likes weruva chicken fric a zee. Low carb and phos. Others dont like it though.
 
Dr. Lisa,

My cat has diabetes and urinary crystals. Can you please tell me what would be good numbers for each of the categories to look for? Thank you.
 
brittany kirk said:
Can you please tell me what would be good numbers for each of the categories to look for? Thank you.
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If you use this Sortable Chart, look for foods with protein minimum of 40, fat maximum of 50, carb max of 10, and for cats with kidney issues....phos less than 300

The key to crystals is water....adding extra water to canned food is one of the best things you can do to keep the urinary tract as healthy as possible.

The cure for pollution is dilution!
 
Also, mix a little water in the food, and CAN food ONLY. Dry food is the worst, especially for cats with urinary Tract issues. The more water the better!
Good luck
 
Hello, I had a question about Friskies canned food. This chart lists most of the flavors around 5 carbs, however I believe they have changed their recipe to now include rice as an ingredient. Does anyone know if the values on the chart have updated with their changed recipe? Also, does anyone know the carb count in the new Fancy Feast Naturals?
 
Jim said:
Hello, I had a question about Friskies canned food. This chart lists most of the flavors around 5 carbs, however I believe they have changed their recipe to now include rice as an ingredient. Does anyone know if the values on the chart have updated with their changed recipe? Also, does anyone know the carb count in the new Fancy Feast Naturals?
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The list was update in 2017. So if the rice was added after that, the list would not reflect them.
 
Can someone guide me to the most updated food list on the website or / link? I have recently adopted a new FIV kitty (Oliver) after Sketches passing last Oct. I immediately transitioned him from dry kibble to the Fancy Feast Classics (I assume these are still the go to). I noticed some classic symptoms of using the box frequently and more than usual trips to the water bowl. I couldn't believe it thinking could I really have 2 diabetic cats in a row? After changing his diet to the above mentioned, symptoms have improved but he is still high in appetite, BG and on the Fructosamine test (have follow up done today). I've been going by Dr Lisa Piersons list I downloaded a few years ago when Sketch was first diagnosed and wondering if it is the most current. If the tests confirm in fact the new kitty is also diabetic I will post a new profile for "Oliver" and start a spread sheet. Thanks all, hard to believe I'm back here but I surely thank goodness this site is available!
 
Jeff D / Sketch said:
Can someone guide me to the most updated food list on the website or / link? I have recently adopted a new FIV kitty (Oliver) after Sketches passing last Oct. I immediately transitioned him from dry kibble to the Fancy Feast Classics (I assume these are still the go to). I noticed some classic symptoms of using the box frequently and more than usual trips to the water bowl. I couldn't believe it thinking could I really have 2 diabetic cats in a row? After changing his diet to the above mentioned, symptoms have improved but he is still high in appetite, BG and on the Fructosamine test (have follow up done today). I've been going by Dr Lisa Piersons list I downloaded a few years ago when Sketch was first diagnosed and wondering if it is the most current. If the tests confirm in fact the new kitty is also diabetic I will post a new profile for "Oliver" and start a spread sheet. Thanks all, hard to believe I'm back here but I surely thank goodness this site is available!
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Here are links to the most recent even though it's 2 yrs old. So many new foods out there are not on this list though.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/links-to-food-charts.174182/
 
am I seeing this right? Friskies gravy sensations has less carb content than any of the Hills diets? Wonder what their "prescription diets" contain.. SMH
 
Carbohydrates: Choosing diets with 10% or less carb calories is a good goal but, unless the cat is diabetic, sticking with less than 15% is also reasonable.

why higher carbs if cat is diabetic??
 
Hi and thank you this is very helpful.
I have a 7 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with diabetes. She is under weight (4.5 lbs) and has only gained 1 lb since I adopted her at 3 months old. I am currently feeding her both wet and dry Blue Buffalo kitten food, our vet doesnt want us to make any drastic changes while we are attempting to regulate her blood glucose.
I am researching what would be best to change her to, such as a high calorie low carb food.....any suggestions?
Also is boiled chicken ok to feed to her as a snack?

Thanks
 
Joanna Duncan said:
Hi and thank you this is very helpful.
I have a 7 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with diabetes. She is under weight (4.5 lbs) and has only gained 1 lb since I adopted her at 3 months old. I am currently feeding her both wet and dry Blue Buffalo kitten food, our vet doesnt want us to make any drastic changes while we are attempting to regulate her blood glucose.
I am researching what would be best to change her to, such as a high calorie low carb food.....any suggestions?
Also is boiled chicken ok to feed to her as a snack?

Thanks
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Hi Joanna, Mighty attractive cat you have there!!

As far as the Blue Buffalo kitten food - not sure which one exactly you're feeding, but BB is typically higher in carbs - one wet canned food that I researched of the BB kitten food variety had 16% carbs - which although isn't terribly high - would be considered a medium carb - it's not really going to help bring her numbers down to feed her that regularly - and most of us around here use Fancy Feast pate's - since they're easy to find in most grocery stores, Walmart, etc. I buy the pate's for regular feeding and keep some of the gravy styles on hand to feed Luci when her numbers drop a bit too much.

There is no problem feeding boilded chicken as a snack - and I also buy freeze dried chicken, salmon and lamb to keep on hand for treats as well. I buy most of that from Amazon or Chewy.

Welcome to the FDMB! Hope your furbaby can get better with just food changes and not eventually need insulin. Food is a great place to start!
 
Sue and Luci said:
Hi Joanna, Mighty attractive cat you have there!!

As far as the Blue Buffalo kitten food - not sure which one exactly you're feeding, but BB is typically higher in carbs - one wet canned food that I researched of the BB kitten food variety had 16% carbs - which although isn't terribly high - would be considered a medium carb - it's not really going to help bring her numbers down to feed her that regularly - and most of us around here use Fancy Feast pate's - since they're easy to find in most grocery stores, Walmart, etc. I buy the pate's for regular feeding and keep some of the gravy styles on hand to feed Luci when her numbers drop a bit too much.

There is no problem feeding boilded chicken as a snack - and I also buy freeze dried chicken, salmon and lamb to keep on hand for treats as well. I buy most of that from Amazon or Chewy.

Welcome to the FDMB! Hope your furbaby can get better with just food changes and not eventually need insulin. Food is a great place to start!
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I have used all 3 of the BB wet canned food plus the dry food. She is already on insulin actually. 1 unit in the am and pm of prozinc, she goes to the vet tomorrow to have her Glucose curve done. Also has some GI issues, some vomiting (not for 3 days!!), soft but formed foul smelling poops and quite a lot of gas. She is skin and bones with a little pot belly!! So may have some Panreatic exocrine issues but not had testing yet. Our vet has NEVER seen Diabetes in such a young cat before.
 
Joanna Duncan said:
I have used all 3 of the BB wet canned food plus the dry food. She is already on insulin actually. 1 unit in the am and pm of prozinc, she goes to the vet tomorrow to have her Glucose curve done. Also has some GI issues, some vomiting (not for 3 days!!), soft but formed foul smelling poops and quite a lot of gas. She is skin and bones with a little pot belly!! So may have some Panreatic exocrine issues but not had testing yet. Our vet has NEVER seen Diabetes in such a young cat before.
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Oh, ok. Without any indication of that info in your signature or a spreadsheet attached I didn't know.

I hope you'll be adding a signature and spreadsheet soon. Thank you!
 
You'd get more likely to get a response if your created your own post in the Feline Health forum and asked that question.
Your question is kind of buried here in a Info Sticky that not many people look at.
 
Different focus for Tanya's CRF website. She, Helen, is focusing on the phosphorus content, since that site is for cats with kidney disease. She calculates the carb percentages different than Dr. Pierson did too.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Different focus for Tanya's CRF website. She, Helen, is focusing on the phosphorus content, since that site is for cats with kidney disease. She calculates the carb percentages different than Dr. Pierson did too.
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True but for many she includes carbs and it’s been updated. It’s just another source. You can call food companies or email them as well. Dr.Lisa does not have the newer foods asked about but Helen might.
 
ceil99 said:
What about the new Fancy Feast senior food??? Or the new Fancy Feast natural?????
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Here's the chart I got from Purina on the Fancy Feast Gourmet Naturals (Pate)
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Helen uses DMA (dry matter analysis), not the As Fed values. It gives you a ballpark figure, based on the min/max values looks like. She doesn't say what data she used to come up with the DMA figures either. Or what her calculation is.

She says she gets information from the manufacturers, but she doesn't say what information was obtained.

Probably not the As Fed values that Dr. Pierson got from the manufacturers.

Even Jeff D's info is the min/max values from the manufacturers. Still doesn't give you percentages based on calories, so you are comparing apples to oranges from the different sources.

Hey, you got a cat with kidney disease, Tanyas's site is a good one. You have a cat with diabetes, not so much. You have a cat with both diabetes and CKD, you are going to have a more difficult time finding an appropriate food for both conditions. But you have to start somewhere.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Helen uses DMA (dry matter analysis), not the As Fed values. It gives you a ballpark figure, based on the min/max values looks like. She doesn't say what data she used to come up with the DMA figures either. Or what her calculation is.

She says she gets information from the manufacturers, but she doesn't say what information was obtained.

Probably not the As Fed values that Dr. Pierson got from the manufacturers.

Even Jeff D's info is the min/max values from the manufacturers. Still doesn't give you percentages based on calories, so you are comparing apples to oranges from the different sources.

Hey, you got a cat with kidney disease, Tanyas's site is a good one. You have a cat with diabetes, not so much. You have a cat with both diabetes and CKD, you are going to have a more difficult time finding an appropriate food for both conditions. But you have to start somewhere.
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I believe the chart I posted is based on calories per 3 oz can as stated towards the bottom.
 
Using DMB (dry matter basis) is helpful when comparing foods like dry vs wet. But to really understand how many calories are being contributed by protein, fat, and carbs you need to figure out the nutrient density. You can do this based of the ME or metabolizable energy listed on your pet food and the crude analysis. If you guys would like I can TRY to put together something to help you figure that out.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Someone already did. It's in the Health Links/FAQ's forum, in the Index "Sticky."
How to Calculate the Nutrient Content of Commercial Cat Foods
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What I am referring to is a little different as it looks like shes using DMB and not taking into account the ME and actual nutrient density of each energy source or correction factors. Or maybe I just don't quite see it's the same as I was taught different in my nutrition class.
 
tiffmaxee said:
This chart is old. A newer one is available on Tanya’scrf
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Can you link me to the newer chart or give me the web addy? My baby now has stage 3 kidney disease and I have to find different food. You can message me or even email me at sherriRbrandt@gmail

Thank you very very much
 
Deb & Wink said:
Hey, you got a cat with kidney disease, Tanyas's site is a good one. You have a cat with diabetes, not so much. You have a cat with both diabetes and CKD, you are going to have a more difficult time finding an appropriate food for both conditions. But you have to start somewhere.
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This is exactly what has happened to me now. I need food for diabetes, CKD AND FLUTD so it can't have any seafood in it since seafood irritates the urinary tract and causes inflammation. I recommend EVERYONE learning about this before it happens to your baby. Dr Lisa talks about it and recommends no seafood. I was one of the people that said that seafood wouldn’t bother MY baby ( stress also causes this , people get this to but it’s called something else that I can’t remember right now )
 
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